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Boom
02-12-2002, 11:37 AM
I only started to log halfway through the argument. You can tell I was really pissed off with his snide "hmmm?" whenever he thought he was making a point, because towards the end I keep saying "Hmmmmmmmmmmm".

And just as I think I'm starting to get somewhere with him, I go link dead. Bah!! I hope mystic lets crafters enchant. Imma get my armorcrafting up to 1000 and make Alli some pants with 200 af and 50 Charisma. And they will make her butt look fantastic!

I hope you aren't too mad at me for yelling at this guy Alli. I know you didn't want me to, but I just got soooooo mad. I was like shaking. You are like the sweetest, kindest person ever and for some little punk to rip you off like this just made me snap. :(

Lemme know if you want me to delete this thread. I just really want Harm to have the log if he wants to use it to give to that guild GM. And I want people to know not to group with this particular Legohlas (it will be hard to do, since there are like 50 variations of that name. Jeez, if I joined a server and Boom and Boomy and Bewm and Booom and Booomm etc were taken, I would come up with something else for crying out loud).



*** Chat Log Opened: Tue Feb 12 02:23:32 2002

[02:23:46] @@Legohlas sends, "well bottom line is whole group decided coin was good way to decide, she refused, in my book she had the chance, didnt she?"
[02:24:46] @@You send, "she shouldnt have to play coin for a bard item. I can buy you 94 af leggings and the additional quality will make up for the loss in const. How can she make up for the loss in char?" to Legohlas
[02:25:16] @@Legohlas sends, "jeesh, does not say bard only, god, 15 con to a ranger is dam nice"
[02:25:33] @@You send, "if those same leggings had dropped, but it had been bow instead of char, would you have done coin with her for it? " to Legohlas
[02:25:53] @@Legohlas sends, "well one thing, i'm 42 down here , so i been down here for long time looking for these, she pry have to group some more"
[02:26:11] @@Legohlas sends, "different bro, these dont say music, so cant use that as example"
[02:26:17] @@You send, "they wouldnt have said "ranger only" and 15 con is good for a bard. If they were 15 con and +bow, would you have done coin for her." to Legohlas
[02:26:32] @@You send, "char is bard onlyl!! Just like bow is ranger only!" to Legohlas
[02:26:35] @@You send, "its the same thign" to Legohlas
[02:26:44] @@You send, "its a ranger only bonus." to Legohlas
[02:26:49] @@Legohlas sends, "your usin a comparison with something with bow as i am with something with music"
[02:27:17] @@You send, "so if it was music instead of char you would have given them to her?" to Legohlas
[02:27:38] @@Legohlas sends, "yup just like she woulda given me the ones with bow on them"
[02:27:46] @@Legohlas sends, "see same thing, same comparison"
[02:27:49] @@You send, "but char is more important to her than music!" to Legohlas
[02:28:00] @@You send, "and char is just as useless to you as music." to Legohlas
[02:28:02] @@Legohlas sends, "oh yeah and high af and con arent to me"
[02:28:12] @@You send, "just as much as they are to her." to Legohlas
[02:28:23] @@Legohlas sends, "so why the hell are they hers only?"
[02:28:24] @@You send, "you can use 2 of the 3 stats. she can use all 3." to Legohlas
[02:28:33] @@You send, "they are bard leggings!" to Legohlas
[02:28:38] @@Legohlas sends, "then why didnt she roll?"
[02:28:48] @@Legohlas sends, "er play coin game? why?"
[02:29:06] @@You send, "because they were bard leggigns. She has been down there for the last 14 hours and that is the first bard drop she saw." to Legohlas
[02:29:25] @@Legohlas sends, "hmm ya guess my 40+ hours dont mean much then heh"
[02:29:25] @@You send, "you wouldnt play coin game for ranger leggigns, why should she play coin game for bard leggings?" to Legohlas
[02:31:58] @@Legohlas sends, "well if this is gonna be non stop problem contact everyone else in the dam group, wasnt like i all of a sudden said those aint bard only legs, we must roll"
[02:32:21] @@You send, "you are the one who has them. I dont know who else is in the group" to Legohlas
[02:32:25] @@Legohlas sends, "so was group decision, not mine"
[02:32:57] @@You send, "you could have done the right thing and just said "I cant use char, these are the ultimate bard leggins, she should have first shot at them."" to Legohlas
[02:33:33] @@Legohlas sends, "um me and the other two rangers, so 3 outta the group all said we wanted them cuz of high af, and the con"
[02:34:21] @@You send, "yes, the bard leggings had other qualities that you liked. I understand that. But all the qualities of them are good for bards. One of the qualities is totally wasted on rangers." to Legohlas
[02:34:54] @@You send, "of course you wanted them. They are better than the ones you have now, but they are still better for bards than rangers. They are great for rangers, but better for bards." to Legohlas
[02:34:56] @@Legohlas sends, "well look at it this way, i sure as hell am not gonna not be looking for these, hmm 94 af to 80af"
[02:35:21] @@You send, "you can buy 94 af with better quality. She cant get char items." to Legohlas
[02:35:24] @@Legohlas sends, "why you think im in the pit at 42, the exp? hehe nope"
[02:35:34] @@Legohlas sends, "what the hell level is she?"
[02:36:05] @@You send, "mid 30s. And she levels like crazy. she will be 40 by the end of the week." to Legohlas
[02:36:34] @@Legohlas sends, "well thats all nice, but umm wont she be in the pit for alot longer then, unlike me at 42 gettin next to nothing exp?"
[02:37:58] @@You send, "no, she will be in the pit. You got your leggings and that is the only reason you are down there, right? She is wearing GREY CON leggings because she needs char that badly. You are done with the mines. she has a lot to do still." to Legohlas
[02:38:24] @@Legohlas sends, "ya so i should just give up and love my 80af armor till i'm 50 right"
[02:39:10] @@You send, "buy some freaking af 94 leggings. whats the big deal. They will be just as good for you as those. and you can get the next ones that drop." to Legohlas
[02:39:26] @@Legohlas sends, "everyone thought she was a \5?TK, cuz we offered for like 10 min to roll, then an hour later she has a temper flare, me and the shade said she just in bad mood"
[02:40:20] @@You send, "no, she has been looking for char items for weeks and they just dont drop. Mystic intended bards to use emp, but they dont so there are no char items. A set of char legs finally drops and a freaken ranger takes them." to Legohlas
[02:41:23] @@Legohlas sends, "ya what ever, "i took them", jesus, you shoulda been in the group to Z0;Ding see what the hell went on, god, dont judge everything by what some whiner tell s ya, there is two sides to this not just hers ya know"
[02:41:56] @@You send, "you have them. doesnt matter waht the group said. You could have given them to her." to Legohlas
[02:42:11] @@You send, "wtf they MADE you keep them? please." to Legohlas
[02:42:24] @@Legohlas sends, "thats what you said, you said i kept them"
[02:42:34] @@You send, "didnt you?" to Legohlas
[02:43:02] @@Legohlas sends, "after she continously didnt want to try for them and said she'd be in the pit for more levels hmm"
[02:44:00] @@You send, "what does that have to do with it? She has been looking for a damn char item for weeks, there are no char items. one finally drops and a ranger wants to do coin for it." to Legohlas
[02:44:41] @@Legohlas sends, "hmm and i been A)-<ing looking for this 94 af armor for a month, and some bard whines after leaving group to get someone to nLfjr me out?"
[02:45:27] @@You send, "she made me promise not to actually. But after trying to help her find char items for weeks, I cant believe a ranger wouldnt give them to her." to Legohlas
[02:46:18] @@Legohlas sends, "well i been trying for a month for these, were no whines about them, she ]leYing said i could use them now, so i o(:!ing kept them"
[02:47:04] @@You send, "oh come on. The amount of time you were looking for these gets longer and longer." to Legohlas
[02:47:18] @@You send, "first you said like 14 hours. now its a month. " to Legohlas
[02:47:34] @@You send, "a month ago they would have been very very purple to you." to Legohlas
[02:47:37] @@Legohlas sends, "nope was on 14 hours today"
[02:47:54] @@Legohlas sends, "ya and what level is she? hmm pry same level i started"
[02:48:16] @@You send, "a month ago you were in the mines looking for these. Please." to Legohlas
[02:48:24] @@You send, "noone levels that slowly." to Legohlas
[02:48:35] @@Legohlas sends, "why hard to beleive someone has a life outside this game?"
[02:48:44] @@Legohlas sends, "i play thane on another server"
[02:48:49] @@You send, "well then you didnt spend that much time looking for them." to Legohlas
[02:49:01] @@You send, "you were having a life and playing your thane" to Legohlas
[02:49:26] @@You send, "she only plays this bard and has only been looking for char items. YOu will take any good af item" to Legohlas
[02:49:30] @@Legohlas sends, "nope, both, play thane for giggles when ranger gets to stressful"
[02:49:46] @@Legohlas sends, "lol ya think thats what it is?"
[02:50:05] @@Legohlas sends, "man you shoulda been in the group hehe, might have different outlook on this matter"
[02:50:15] @@You send, "you cant have it both ways. YOu want to make it sound like you have been playing alot and looking for this, and you want to make it sound like you have been this level for a month and you havent been playing alot" to Legohlas
[02:50:47] @@Legohlas sends, "never lE\!ing said i was level 42 for a month, said i been looking for a month"
[02:50:51] @@You send, "I dont care what the group said. Char item dropped, the bard asked for it, you have them. end of story." to Legohlas
[02:51:03] @@Legohlas sends, "oh @l~v, she asked for it?"
[02:51:06] @@Legohlas sends, "lmao"
[02:51:16] @@You send, "she didnt say she wanted it???" to Legohlas
[02:51:32] @@Legohlas sends, "she said she would like to have them too ya, like the others did"
[02:51:36] @@You send, "she didnt say "omg char item! finally!"" to Legohlas
[02:51:41] @@Legohlas sends, "didnt say ooooo, thats bard legs, me get"
[02:52:08] @@You send, "she didnt tell you about how hard it has been to find char items? bullsh1t." to Legohlas
[02:52:29] @@Legohlas sends, "said charisma is nice for bards ya"

[02:52:36] @@Legohlas sends, "but not impossible to find"
[02:53:20] @@You send, "she told me she explained about how mystic intended emp to be useful for bards and thats why char items are so rare." to Legohlas
[02:53:27] @@You send, "why would she lie?" to Legohlas
[02:54:21] @@Legohlas sends, "then when we said everyon coin game, everyone said ok, but her, wtf? she had her chance, so didnt appear she really really wanted them, and everyone told her after she left, to get on with it, cuz she turned down the chance"
[02:55:01] @@You send, "we are talking in circles. She shouldnt have to do coin for a bard item any more than you should have to do coin for a ranger item." to Legohlas
[02:55:14] 1) Legohlas <Glory's Path> the Level 42 Ranger in Tir na Nog
[02:55:41] @@Legohlas sends, "you say it as a ranger item with adds to recurve, like these L%>wing have adds, to music, not the same comparison"
[02:56:09] @@You send, "char is just as important to bards as recurve is to rangers." to Legohlas
[02:56:22] @@You send, "and char is just as USELESS to rangers as recurve is to bards." to Legohlas
[02:56:42] @@Legohlas sends, "hmm so by chance, these had charisma and bow, then what the S*PM?"
[02:56:54] @@Legohlas sends, "huh"
[02:57:05] @@You send, "then do coin game. Then it has one item good for ranger and one good for bard." to Legohlas
[02:57:15] @@You send, "but thats a dumb question anyway" to Legohlas
[02:57:24] @@You send, "because there is no item like that" to Legohlas
[02:57:28] @@Legohlas sends, "well only thing i gotta say is group decided, i played along, she didnt"
[02:57:34] @@You send, "because no item would have recurve and char" to Legohlas
[02:57:47] @@Legohlas sends, "only a comparison on your example"
[02:57:50] @@You send, "becaues recurve is a ranger item and char is a bard item!!!!" to Legohlas
[02:58:08] @@Legohlas sends, "no LU/2, i know that, but con is just as useful to ranger"
[02:58:37] @@You send, "yes, con is just as usefull to both of you. CHar is useless to you. so the pants are more usefull to her." to Legohlas
[02:59:13] @@Legohlas sends, "then she shoulda played, hmm, when 7 of the people say thats a good way to decide, outta 8 people, the group usually plays along"
[02:59:57] @@You send, "I dont care what the other people said "hmmmmmmmm" do you understand that "hmmmmmmm" Enjoy your bard pants. Make good use of that charisma." to Legohlas
[03:00:10] @@Legohlas sends, "ya thanks"
[03:00:17] @@You send, "selfish prick." to Legohlas
[03:00:38] @@You send, "Im sure that charisma is really going to help your ranger alot." to Legohlas
[03:00:43] @@Legohlas sends, "yup i'm selfish cuz group gave them to me after she didnt want to play, guess if thats selfish whatever"
[03:01:19] @@Legohlas sends, "ys sit there on your pompous ass, pointing fingers at me like i was the sole decider on this, |Fh/ off"
[03:01:28] @@You send, "you kept the pants that were better for her than they were for you. That makes you selfish. YOu had yellow con pants. You dont even NEED new pants." to Legohlas
[03:02:02] @@You send, "thats ok , she can wear grey pants. YOu had yellow, but you like these better. So what if they have Char which does you no good." to Legohlas
[03:02:30] @@Legohlas sends, "yup was all my decision, told group i would kill them all if i didnt get them, so yup was all my call "
[03:02:40] @@Legohlas sends, "hehe"
[03:03:39] @@You send, "please. You make it sound like they forced you to take it." to Legohlas
[03:03:54] @@Legohlas sends, "well you make it sound like i forced her not to have them"
[03:04:10] @@You send, "Maybe they supported you , but they didnt make you take them. You could have given them to her "hmmmmm"" to Legohlas
[03:04:31] @@You send, "yes you forced her not to have them. You didnt give htem to her." to Legohlas
[03:04:36] @@You send, "hmmmm" to Legohlas
[03:04:58] @@Legohlas sends, "well i really dont think this conversation is gonna go anywhere really, hehe now i think she's more of a s:sm? than ever, so i guess were both stupid mother G3Eyers for stoopin this low LOL"
[03:05:42] @@You send, "ok, enjoy that charisma. Hope it does you good." to Legohlas
[03:06:05] @@Legohlas sends, "charisma wont, but constitution will"
[03:06:28] @@You send, "yes and char AND cons would have done her good." to Legohlas
[03:06:40] @@You send, "cant you see that makes it better for her?" to Legohlas
[03:06:52] @@Legohlas sends, "yup in a way i do"
[03:06:57] @@Legohlas sends, "and agree with you"
[03:07:45] @@You send, "so..... if you keep an item thats better for someone else... when the standard method if dividing drops is need before greed, and you had yellow leggings and she had grey....." to Legohlas
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Morety
02-12-2002, 02:20 PM
What a dickhead.

Cyriz
02-12-2002, 03:47 PM
that guy is a stupied jerk, i say we spread the news to everyone we know not to group with him. And we should all send him sparatic /tells that he's a jerk:dead:

Allison
02-12-2002, 04:17 PM
Boomy! YOu got all mad and stuff. He's so full of it. The group didn't decide p00p. There was one other guy who wanted them too, but he backed off and wasn't going to roll for the them. The only people who wanted to roll were Legop00phead and the guy who got the drop (can't remember his name) because he couldn't decide who to give them to. Everyone else in the group kept quiet. I gave a couple of them a tell afterward and they were totally cool with me leaving and understood completely.

And I did explain about the whole CHA item thing. Oh, and he had already gotten a nice drop. I was the only one in the group who hadn't gotten a drop yet.

I imagine he just doesn't understand. He probably thinks that CHA is some little secondary stat and no big deal. I'm sure he thinks I'm selfish for wanting them. No biggie. The only regret I have is I should have insisted more when they first dropped. I thought I could just let it go, but I just kept getting more and more mad, realizing that if another item dropped I was probably going to get screwed again. So it took about 30 mins before I actually got pissed enough to leave the group.

When I did state my mind and disband, I immediately went over to another group with people I knew in it and asked to join. They were full. I was so mad I couldn't just stand there, so in a bold statement I ran down to the pit and suicided. I wasn't about to ask anyone where the seam was. I was making a statement: I'd rather suicide than spend one more minute down here with that jerk!! YEEEHAW! :hump: Well, it sounded good at the time. But two minutes later, when I was in Ardee, my friend from the other group gives me a tell and says they have room for me. LOL! I was laughing so hard at myself for getting that angry. It was silly, really.

]LoL[Harm
02-12-2002, 05:24 PM
Nah, that'll make us look like jerks. Let me talk to the GM of Glory's Path. I'll get at least something straightened out.

Allison
02-12-2002, 05:28 PM
It's really not that big of a deal, guys. Let it go. It's just some imaginary pants in an imaginary world. :) I don't mind being pantless. :)

Yellow5
02-12-2002, 06:11 PM
What is "the coin game"??

Allison
02-12-2002, 06:29 PM
Coin game/copper game goes like this: Each player who wants the item picks a number between 1-100. After the next kill, whoever picked the number closest to the amount of coppers received from the mob, gets the item.

Yellow5
02-12-2002, 07:36 PM
Thank you...














I heard it's a display issue. :)

Allison
02-13-2002, 03:41 AM
:p

·ç·Xayd
02-13-2002, 10:19 AM
Well, in fairness, what level was the bard in question?

It doesn't matter the stats really, Rangers don't get groups in the Bog as easily as they do the mines, so AF94 reinforced is about the best they'll ever see. If the Ranger is 42 in a group in the mines, he's there for loot, making very little exp. Abysmals are all red and wees are red/orange at that level.

Yeah, the stat bonuses vary, but three classes need that armor for the AF, regardless of the bonuses. I'm wearing those leggings now too, and I also got them in the group I was in over the bard that was in our group, since the bard was level 32. There's no reason for a level 32 bard to have purple armor over a level 40 Ranger who can actually wear it.

We had a bard leave our group the other day because he didn't get a mace that dropped, when he wanted it. Sorry, but there was a level 39 blunt user in the group, so a level 35 bard isn't getting a drop that's purple when a level 39 can use it in one level.

If the armor was red to the bard, the Ranger deserves it IMHO, being level 42.

Allison
02-13-2002, 02:03 PM
Interesting points, Xayd. It seems that everyone has different rules when it comes to loot. In retrospect, I'm sure the guy wasn't being ass, he just felt differently about loot distribution. I'm sure I could have handled it better than I did.

As far as who gets what, IMO, there are several things to consider. Assuming no one has gotten a drop I go by the following: First, what are the stats? If the stats are primary to a group member and they can use the item now, they should get it. Second, who CAN use the item, even though the stats aren't perfect for them. Third, who can use the item at a later date.

Now, if two people want the same item, one has gotten a drop and the other hasn't, the one who hasn't gotten a drop should get it.

Any of this can be overridden by dire need, IMO. For example, if the higher level ranger had green con leggings and mine were yellow, I wouldn't have thought twice about letting him have them. As it was, his were yellow and mine were gray. I do have higer AF leggings that I purchased for the rare times when I solo, but with the extreme shortage of charisma items in the game, I really need the gray leggings with charisma when grouping, for the mana boost.

At no time should the "I'm a higher level and I'm only here for loot" reason be used. If someone is contributing to the group, they should get equal consideration for an item, regardless of their level. This particular ranger joined our group after we had been together for 7 hours. He announced many times that he wasn't getting any exp and was only there for loot. Does that mean that he gets first dibs on everything? If that's what he wants, he shouldn't be grouping.

So, to sum up this particular case: The stats on the leggings were more for a bard than a ranger. I had gray leggings, the ranger had yellow. The ranger had gotten a drop, I hadn't. I had been in the group for 7 hours, the ranger for one. (BTW, there's no reason a bard can't wear red or even purple armor. It only degrades when hit.) So yes, I absolutely think that I should have gotten them.

But as I said, it's not that big of a deal. It's just a game, and I'm not going to cry over the lost leggings. I'm sure I'll get them someday. What really annoyed me was the selfishness of it. I'm always giving things away. And I always take people at their word when they say they need something. I always pass on reinforced armor if the stats are better for someone else, even if I need it. Heck, I even gave my best mace away yesterday to a bard who solos more than me and went back to my old mace. And then, when I do want something that drops, I'm usually not given equal consideration because hey, I'm just a bard and I don't really need armor.

Boom
02-13-2002, 02:49 PM
I've worn red stuff at times. I feel sorta guilty because I know I'm degrading it faster than I should, but if its a choice between red and grey, I'll wear the red. Also, its only 2 days later and if its not orange to Alli now, it will be in a few more days. It's need before greed. A bard wearing grey leggings NEEDS red Char leggings more than a ranger with yellow leggings needs orange leggings. He wanted them, he liked them, but he didn't NEED them. He was wearing yellow leggings, he didn't need anything. When his leggings turn blue/green and he NEEDS new ones, he can come back and solo abbys like crazy and get superfast drops.

·ç·Xayd
02-13-2002, 08:57 PM
Dunno if you guys commonly do this, but here lately we've also kinda implemented an unwritten rule of 'hand me downs' on Palomides.

If I get a piece of AF94 over a lower level player in the group, the lower level is entitled to my AF 80 if he/she wants it. Same goes for weapons. I got a shadow rapier the other day, and rather than the level 37 shade getting it, the shade got my Balanced Asterite dirk that I replaced with the rapier, so everyone goes home with something new at least ;).

Morety
02-13-2002, 10:10 PM
I've always done that if I can wear equipment right away. It's a good thing to do imo.

malkovich
10-22-2007, 08:53 PM
PAAAAAANTS !

Ivyrielle
10-22-2007, 09:11 PM
I just have to say, I totally would have given Allia my pants.

Allison
10-22-2007, 09:42 PM
Hahaha! Oh Malky, you liitle imp!

gepper
10-22-2007, 10:10 PM
I haven't played in a long time, but it used to be "need before greed", then hand me downs were manditory. If someone one and they were already using something better then the loser, they had to give up what they had.

Morety
10-22-2007, 11:17 PM
I wouldn't have given her the pants, pantless allia = good.

Figtoria
10-23-2007, 07:34 AM
Ailia>>>>all

All the pants belong to her!!!

Muadi
10-23-2007, 11:21 AM
I think the best part of this.... is that we get to do this all over again in Warhammer :). I'm looking forward to it.

malkovich
10-23-2007, 02:07 PM
hi alli ! ... :rolly: ... ;) ...

Morety
10-23-2007, 03:45 PM
Speaking of assholes:

http://vnboards.ign.com/pellinor/b20771/104962758/p1/?46

Allison
10-23-2007, 05:35 PM
Jeebus, Morety! That's some memory you've got there. :laugh:

Morety
10-23-2007, 07:01 PM
It's selective... :x

Ivyrielle
10-23-2007, 10:05 PM
It's selective... :x


Talk about spelunking...

The funny thing is i read through about half of that thread til I got to Roisin's comment about /ignore, problem solved....

I specifically remember, when I started playing, her telling me about that incident and how he was the only person who would forever be on her ignore list. ;)

MickeyFinn
10-25-2007, 03:38 PM
I just started reading this thread without realizing it was 5 years old. I was like "94% quality? I seem to remember being able to get something better than that" :p

mcgruff
01-20-2009, 03:30 PM
awesomeness !