View Full Version : Law Against Co-Habitation
Gwylenna
03-30-2005, 12:49 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/COHABITATION_LAWSUIT?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
So if you can get fired from your job for smoking at home how about getting fired or being forced to quit because of who you live with?
Cerita
03-30-2005, 12:53 PM
I agree that they should noy have a say in our private lives. Had Kilz and I had to get married before we lived together we probably never would have stayed together to be honest cause he was 800 miles from me.
And in reference to the article what are the other 6 states that have that law?? Boom, do you know??
~Vanilla~
Allison
03-30-2005, 01:26 PM
Good luck to the ACLU in getting that law overturned. Here in NC, the state legislators are mighty a'feered of doing anything that their more conservative constituents might find "immoral." There have been several efforts here (with a current bill under consideration) to repeal NC's "Crimes Against Nature" law, which prohibits certain acts, including oral and anal sex, even between a married couple. But, even though the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled such laws unconstitutional, they remain on the books in NC and all efforts to remove them have failed.
I remember a couple of years ago when they were debating the validity of this law, a legislator stood up and challenged anyone in the room who had not broken this law to stand up and be counted. No one stood up. It was pretty funny -- but also pretty sad that they were so afraid of being called "gay-lovers" that they refused to repeal such an obviously asinine law.
]LoL[Harm
03-30-2005, 01:30 PM
Ahh the path of least resistance. God bless the human condition.
spyder913
03-30-2005, 07:41 PM
the morals! won't anybody think of the morals?!?!
Hammer
03-30-2005, 08:15 PM
I wondered if anyone would start a thread on this. I have to admit I've lived in NC my entire life and I didn't know there was a law against shacking up.
]LoL[Harm
03-31-2005, 08:59 AM
60 days in jail for living with a person of the opposite sex. Oh my god, please government treat me like I'm a 12 year old. I'm sorry I'm an adult, I can decide for myself what is good and right for myself. It's called freedom, you know that American thing that we cherish so dearly. I swear if a cop came to arrest me for living with a woman I'd sue the state into poverty.
Why does my government care about who I live with? This is why church and state is supposed to be separate, the government is here to make sure society functions, not to make sure society follows an arbitrary moral code. Who you live with does not cause a dysfunction of society.
In certain states (Arkansas I believe?), you've entered into a common law marriage whenever you sleep with someone.
Figtoria
03-31-2005, 09:44 AM
So if they put you in jail for co-habiting it follows that they can't make you stay in a cell with a person you're not married to or they'd be breaking their own law.
"No-one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Do you understand?
Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear; even if they do say Jehovah..."
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 09:49 AM
So if they put you in jail for co-habiting it follows that they can't make you stay in a cell with a person you're not married to or they'd be breaking their own law.
The don't mix sexes in jail, you can live with someone of the same sex and not break the law, it's when you are with someone from the other sex that you break the law.
Swifty
]LoL[Harm
03-31-2005, 09:49 AM
The laws only specify living with those of the opposite sex, at least that's my understanding.
Since the government feels the need to tell me what ways I'm allowed to please a woman maybe they'll inact laws that will also indicate how many times I'm required to say I love you, and what gifts I'm allowed to give her, in fact just put down laws that indicate exactly how you must act at anytime during a relationship with the opposite sex. Heaven knows I'm too stupid to be able to make these decisions on my own. What I really need is a state worker to come by and feed and dress me in the mornings, maybe they can drive me to work too since thats a very difficult thing to do with so many decisions to be made. :D
Noleader
03-31-2005, 09:53 AM
hahaha conservitive N.C. promotes gay couples living together!
"I'm sorry I'm an adult, I can decide for myself what is good and right for myself."
Furthermore, it can be a platonic relationship, in other rooms within the same building, and you're still breaking the law. So from the strictest sense of the law, you're not allowed to rent out a room to someone of the opposite sex, and if you're married, you can't rent out a room to anyone at all.
Figtoria
03-31-2005, 10:33 AM
hahaha conservitive N.C. promotes gay couples living together!
DAMN IT!!
You guys got to spring the trap I made for Swifty!!!!
:rolly:
]LoL[Harm
03-31-2005, 10:41 AM
Yeah but all the gay couple could do was kiss and hug, everything else is illegal, even for married couples.
Murrie
03-31-2005, 10:43 AM
I like breaking the law!
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 10:50 AM
You guys got to spring the trap I made for Swifty!!!!
What trap? My uncle is gay and lives with his partner. I have no issues with that.
Swifty
Grundy
03-31-2005, 11:03 AM
Every family has a gay "uncle".
"What trap? My uncle is gay and lives with his partner. I have no issues with that."
But if they try to get married...?
"Every family has a gay "uncle"."
My sister is gay. And I'm not talking about closet, quiet gay. I'm talking about rainbow-wearing, "I like Bush" button-having, bull dike. I've oftentimes queried her about why is their "gay" pride, since there isn't exactly a "straight" pride. She's never given me a straight answer.
Get it? "Straight" answer? Nevermind.
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 11:37 AM
But if they try to get married...?
I have no issues with them getting a civil union.
Swifty
]LoL[Harm
03-31-2005, 11:46 AM
Yeah they need a straight pride week, where I can wear a button that says "I like to stick my thing in her thing" ;)
"I have no issues with them getting a civil union."
But... You do have an issue with them getting married? Legally, I mean, not by your religion's standards.
Rooster
03-31-2005, 12:16 PM
My sister is gay too.
That's just wierd. :rolly:
Allison
03-31-2005, 12:30 PM
We don't have any of them gays in my family.
Jammer
03-31-2005, 12:48 PM
This is not in any way an appropriate place to discuss any unnamed poster's past actions with regards to the kissing of any other unnamed poster of the same gender on the belly.
Jammer
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 12:49 PM
We don't have any of them gays in my family.
Try harder!!!
But... You do have an issue with them getting married
No, not married, Civil Union.
Swifty
Roscoes_C&W
03-31-2005, 12:52 PM
ya I ain't seen none of them homosexual perverts around at my family.
Figtoria
03-31-2005, 12:54 PM
This is not in any way an appropriate place to discuss any unnamed poster's past actions with regards to the kissing of any other unnamed poster of the same gender on the belly.
Jammer
Pics.
Hammer
03-31-2005, 01:04 PM
I assume this law is based on morals, which is bullshit, but what if it's based on taxes? I could support it if it's based on a couple shacking up in order to evade paying their fair share of taxes.
spyder913
03-31-2005, 01:09 PM
what.. property taxes???
Hammer
03-31-2005, 01:11 PM
State income tax.
Noleader
03-31-2005, 01:29 PM
You know what I find funny... The people with no gay relatives defended gay rights over those who did.
Ironic...
Noleader
03-31-2005, 01:32 PM
No, not married, Civil Union.
Damn straight! Your gay ass uncle does not deserve the same shit as the rest of us normal people. Bastard should just die and save the world the trouble.
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 01:57 PM
ya I ain't seen none of them homosexual perverts around at my family.
Check the closet lately?
Damn straight! Your gay ass uncle does not deserve the same shit as the rest of us normal people. Bastard should just die and save the world the trouble.
Actually if you paid attention before, I stated that civil unions should carry the same rights as marriage.
Swifty
spyder913
03-31-2005, 02:14 PM
State income tax.
Which they still have to file seperately anyways unless they're under the effect of a common law marriage. And I highly doubt that a state that makes it illegal to co-habitate is going to have common law marriage.
There is no loophole, the only thing they could do would be to actually file incorrectly which should be pretty obvious to the auditors when they have no record of the two being married.
"I could support it if it's based on a couple shacking up in order to evade paying their fair share of taxes."
I still couldn't. If there were loopholes to allow that, then the loopholes should be attacked, and not the personal freedom.
"Actually if you paid attention before, I stated that civil unions should carry the same rights as marriage."
But still be different. And that would be different from putting races in different but equal schools how?
Hammer
03-31-2005, 02:27 PM
Filing seperately is the loophole. Two people living together and filing as singles may pay less tax then if they are married. I would agree though that you should just close the tax loophole and not make living together illegal. The only question would be if you apply it to all people living together and not just couples.
Swifty_Johnson
03-31-2005, 02:45 PM
But still be different. And that would be different from putting races in different but equal schools how?
Becasue it's a set of rights, not facilities. It doesn't matter what they are called as long as they are the same.
Swifty
"The only question would be if you apply it to all people living together and not just couples."
I say you just make sure that being married always gives you atleast equal benefits to being single taxwise, if not more beneficial for doing so.
"It doesn't matter what they are called as long as they are the same."
Yes it does. Not being called the same cannot be the same by definition. You do believe in the democratic philosophy of everything is allowed and then laws are applied when justified, instead of the vice versa of nothing is allowed, and then freedoms are applied when justified, don't you?
Edit: and for that matter, why can't rights and facilities be interchanged in this case?
Hammer
03-31-2005, 02:58 PM
That would be too easy. A flat tax or consumption tax. We can't make things that simple.
I don't know if I agree with a flat tax or not. On one hand, man, stuff would be simpler. On the other hand, there are some key issues with the flat tax I have, that mainly involves how it would be relational to cost of living, but cost of living doesn't infinitely scale upwards.
Roscoes_C&W
03-31-2005, 03:14 PM
My GF and I have been living together, sharing our mortgage, splitting our bills in 1/2 for over a year. We have been together for 5 years and really the only reason we aren't married is because we will get worked in taxes when they combine our incomes. Also, she isn't some lame chick who only cares about getting "The Ring" in order to feel secure in the relationship. So me as a guy you know I don't really care about getting married. I shouldn't be forced to be married, or considered married just because you are. You know, some people are better off being married because it actually saves them money. So what should we do about the people who got married in order to pay less taxes?
Also, not being married allows her to use another house as a tax write off with her mother while I use ours as a write off for myself. These are just tax loopholes in the system that can easily be obtained by everybody. So why should we penalize those who chose to take advantage of the system while others are just lazy, or ignorant, or really don't care to?
And I think theres far greater problems with people taking advantages of taxes than the small people who are just trying to save a few hundred dollers. Focus on that.
"So what should we do about the people who got married in order to pay less taxes?"
We should allow them?
Roscoes_C&W
03-31-2005, 03:26 PM
i agree
Hammer
03-31-2005, 03:41 PM
Flat tax would solve that and we could co-habitate or marry or whatever the hell we like and nobody would gain or lose. Roscoe is there common-law marriages where you live? I think here after seven years you are married as far as the government is concerned. Sounds like you might be knocking on that door soon unless your state doesn't have common-law marriage.
Roscoes_C&W
03-31-2005, 04:32 PM
No common law marriage in California.
malkovich
03-31-2005, 04:59 PM
wtf is this some kind of coming out for our sisters thread ?
seriously , my sister is also gay ...
they need to get rid of that "uncle" saying roo ... more true might be "every family has a gay sister" ... :P ...
Noleader
03-31-2005, 05:18 PM
I just do not understand how I, who has no gay family (or that I know about atleast), defend gay rights to the last straw but those with gay family see no issue with treating them as second class citizens.
Roscoes_C&W
03-31-2005, 05:29 PM
I know what you mean. I'm in a gay clan on Halo2, we are called We Like Men and my gamer tag is BALLZDEEP INMEN, as well as everyone else has gay names. We talk like homo's the whole time and everyone hates us. They call us every derogitory name in the book. It's killer.
Hammer
03-31-2005, 05:36 PM
rofl
MickeyFinn
03-31-2005, 05:40 PM
Every time I read these forums I ask myself "Land of the free?" one more time. Those are really starting to add up, and that bugs me.
Cerita
03-31-2005, 10:52 PM
. Roscoe is there common-law marriages where you live? I think here after seven years you are married as far as the government is concerned. Sounds like you might be knocking on that door soon unless your state doesn't have common-law marriage.
In some states the co-habitants can become common law after 6 mos.. AND, it is required that you have to divorce jus like the rest of us married folk if you separate
~Vanilla~
After doing some research on it, apparently, only 15 US states + Washington DC do common law marriages (and a bunch of them have abolished making new ones), and even then, you have to make it clear to the community that you're married. So it's not as bad as I thought. The states probably got enough people reacting, "What the hell is this crap?"
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