View Full Version : Who Will Win the 2004 Election??
Cavan
10-14-2004, 11:04 AM
Not who you're voting for.. but who will win the Election?
I thought we already did this poll?
Last time I said Bush would win. Now I think its too close to call. You only gave two options, Bush or Kerry. I would pick the third option, too close to call.
I will. Gogo subversion of the democratic process!! :D
Swifty_Johnson
10-14-2004, 11:21 AM
Hey, where is the facist party?
Swifty
Murrie
10-14-2004, 11:33 AM
Im stocking up on ammo. I think its going to be 48.5 to 48.5 with a electoral Tie. Once that is announced everyone will scream fraud and will start rioting.
The streets will run red with electioneering blood, the likes of Sinclair, MMoore, Rather, Hannity and the rest will be drug out and beaten within an inch of their lives because everyone will be blaming one of them for the fact that their guy didnt win by a mile.
All the while the hippies will sing about peace and love while attacking aany and all SUV drivers they come into contact with and the religious right will sing about peace and love while they burn an abortion patient on a pyre. Soon everyone will be completely taken with the notion of peace and love and will begin randomly kicking whomever's ass happens to need some kicking (everyone will need a kicking by this point)
After it goes to the senate, which will come down to another tie, Cheney will cast the tie breaker in favor of Bush and washinton will go insane and burn down itself down.
After several weeks of rioting the christmas spirit will take hold of Bush and he will give Kerry a present of a tomahawk missile straight to the hair. At which point Edwards will Sue Mary Cheney for not making enough Lesbian Pornos which has cause he and his followers a great deal of distress. While Edwards is tied up in court Kerry will take the time to have his hair surgically reimplanted (and will bring Christopher Reeve back from the dead to smite his enemies)
Then everyone will bunker down for 4 years, only emerging to take pot shots at random folks that get too close to their hidey hole. Those that dont have holes to hide in will be left to wander through the desolate wasteland of post election '04 america.
Then in '08 Hillary have kerrys hair destroyed to take him out of the primaries, gets the nomination, then wins the election. Republicans all commit suicide in one grand defiant stroke of clinton hating insanity. Without the republicans Guns are banded completely. Mexico then attacks and with several really pointy sticks subdues the hippies. Mexico annexes america in '11.
The rest of us come out of our bunkers and have some Fajitas.
I agree with Murrie.
I would like extra guacamole on my fajita please.
Roscoes_C&W
10-14-2004, 11:59 AM
I'm over this election. I don't even fuckin care who wins anymore. Fuck politics, fuck everyone.
"Im stocking up on ammo."
A friend of mine sent a pretty scare article, even me knowing he's one of those paranoid conspiracists. Basically, it showed how everything in modern life evolves around oil (stuff like for every one unit of energy some food provides, it takes an average of six units of oil energy to get it to us), and the oil crash is going to happen fairly soon. Things like, within the next 10 years, gas is going to up to over $7 a gallon and a tomato will cost $8 a piece.
Within the next 40 years, 90% of the world's population will die off. Of course, it assumes a lot of things (namely, we won't be able to find another alternative source of power to replace oil), but still pretty scary.
Roscoes_C&W
10-14-2004, 01:13 PM
The oil situation isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. The conspiracists think that the oil will run out in 10 years well I don't think that's the case. Theres alot more oil on this planet than everyone thinks. The supply is determined according to the demand and the price. It is a business, it wouldn't be beneficial for the business to just release a huge amount of oil at a time just to make people happy and keep the price down. There is more benefit to hold back on the supply.
Murrie
10-14-2004, 01:15 PM
Aye Hep, the "stocking up on ammo" statement was possibly based on the same paranoid email you got. I stock up on ammo for target practice, not cause im paranoid :p
Lots of crazies out there with alot of crazy ideas, I think i was trying to make fun of them all :hump:
and the predictions of running out of oil are not at all new, every so often (with consistance regularity) some nut comes out and predicts that based on their research there is only 10 years left worth of oil and that we are all screwed!
Its gonna run out sometime. We don't have an infinite supply. Why wait till it runs out to find an alternate source? We should do something now.
Murrie
10-14-2004, 01:23 PM
I couldnt agree more Boom. Oil dependence is a crutch humanity is leaning far to heavily upon. Using dead dinosaurs to power my means of transportation boggles my mind...
But in the mean time we should be doing things like drilling anwar and building more nuclear plants to help drive the cost of living down, which in turn lowers the cost of the research that will develop those alternatives.
Cavan
10-14-2004, 01:27 PM
Its gonna run out sometime. We don't have an infinite supply. Why wait till it runs out to find an alternate source? We should do something now.
Wouldn't you agree that cleaner burning of coal research is needed... because as American's.. we have Coal coming out our asses...
Roscoes_C&W
10-14-2004, 01:40 PM
They are developing alternatives. They are also making oil burning vehicles more efficient with such things as hybrids. Theres new hybrid cars every year. They develop electric cars as well, which suck cause what we have for batteries right now are less efficient than the gasoline powered car. So for now we have hybrids while new technology is developed. I'm not worried about oil supply running out. Nor am I worried about water supply running out which is another conspiracy theory floating out there.
Well, I am up for researching anything, coal or whatever. Mining for coal isn't environmentally friendly though, and although we have a lot of it, it is still a limited resource. Perhaps we could use it as a temporary measure as we wean ourselves off the oil.
Nuclear power has great potential. It should be the cheapest, cleanest, and most efficient way to produce energy, if we could just come up with a way to safely dispose of the waste. And of course I love hydro/solar/wind power. I don't know why we don't figure out more ways to make those technologies work for us.
Cavan
10-14-2004, 01:45 PM
You forgot Ethonal....
Roscoes_C&W
10-14-2004, 01:47 PM
Solar power is like the most inefficient power source in the world. I think it's efficiency is like 0.1% or something ridiculously low. But I mean theres no reason why we shouldn't be producing power with it. Here in California and other Southwest states theres alot of sun so alot of potential for power. I know we have a program here where you can fully equip your house with a solar power system and the state will pay for most of the cost to do it. You can also sell your power to the state that you don't use. But I don't see solar power happening in the Northwest where it's raining most the time.
Sure, and alcohol and everything. Towards the end of WWII a decent percentage of Nazi fuel was made from potatos. Their refineries were getting bombed and stuff and they were having major oil problems, so they started developing fuel from potatos. Within a very short time (a few years) they got the technology to the point where a decent percentage (I don't recall the exact number) of their war machines were able to run off of this fuel. That was 60 years ago. With today's technology we should be able to do much better then the Nazis did. And we will never run out of potatos. We can always plant more.
Roscoes_C&W
10-14-2004, 01:53 PM
you can take people shit and produce methonol. At my school they had a whole thing where they produced methonol from cow manure. They just piled it all up under an air tight tarp thingy or something and it just flowed out. Not sure if it's that simple. Didn't they do that in Mad Max or something?
Allison
10-14-2004, 01:55 PM
OMG, I guess I'm a little slow here ... but Murrie ... that post .... bwuahahahahaha!!! :rolly:
spyder913
10-14-2004, 02:56 PM
But I don't see solar power happening in the Northwest where it's raining most the time.
It rains less than a third of the time in seattle - the problem is there is just a lot of overcast days.
What we need is sattelites with vast solar panel arrays that use microwave to beam it stations on the ground. (not really feasible in a geostationary orbit)
"The conspiracists think that the oil will run out in 10 years well I don't think that's the case."
The paper has an estimate of oil running out in about 40 years. And like I stated, it's a conspiracy theory type of theme, but realize that everything in your modern life depends on oil, from food, transportation, and work, to medicine and all of your comforts. All of those things will go up in price faster than we will find alternatives, I can practically guarantee that.
Swifty_Johnson
10-15-2004, 01:10 PM
Necessity is the mother of invention. Oil is cheap, therefor there is no reason to search for other means. Now that oil is getting more expensive, people will start looking.
Sounds like we should embargo oil shipments to Germany and they'll quickly find a replacement.
Swifty
Roscoes_C&W
10-15-2004, 01:59 PM
Why don't we take advantage of hamster wheels? those little fellas can run for hours. All we need to do is throw on a magnet and a coil and we got electricity.
"Necessity is the mother of invention. Oil is cheap, therefor there is no reason to search for other means. Now that oil is getting more expensive, people will start looking."
Perhaps I'm not being clear. I realize that it's a worse-case scenario, and it probably won't happen. My point is that these "people" who start looking other places for power, needs to be us (and the President, whoever that may be).
Swifty_Johnson
10-15-2004, 04:46 PM
My point is that these "people" who start looking other places for power, needs to be us (and the President, whoever that may be).
No, the goverment should stay out of this, let it be a consumer matter.
Swifty
"No, the goverment should stay out of this, let it be a consumer matter."
The government is in this, whether you want them there or not. It is the government that's controlling oil prices, not us. If oil was "a consumer matter", then oil prices would have gone up long ago, and we would already be either crippled in our economy, and/or finding better alternatives.
Cavan
10-15-2004, 04:52 PM
"No, the goverment should stay out of this, let it be a consumer matter."
The government is in this, whether you want them there or not. It is the government that's controlling oil prices, not us. If oil was "a consumer matter", then oil prices would have gone up long ago, and we would already be either crippled in our economy, and/or finding better alternatives.
You are SO full of shit Hep... Oil Prices/Gas Prices are NOT controlled by the government.. they are controlled by the Oil companies.. and prices are set based on supply, reserves, and refining capabilities....
"Oil Prices/Gas Prices are NOT controlled by the government.. they are controlled by the Oil companies.."
Oil and gasoline is treated as a monopoly and regulated by the government. The price of gasoline isn't allowed to skyrocket, even if demand goes up. It sways a few cents a gallon back and forth (mainly forth), but the government is the one that places restrictions on its price changes.
Edit: for example, here in AZ last year, a oil pipline broke and the prices went up. There was an government investigation done to make sure that the prices were true to the actual supply that was cut off. Tell me, if it was pure supply and demand as you act it is, why would there be an investigation? They can charge whatever they want in a free enterprise as you're acting it is.
Tammarion
10-15-2004, 06:42 PM
The term you are looking for is "collusion" - where the few parties who are supposed to be competing turn around and make a deal not to compete.
The supply/demand economic model is a lot more complex than people make out. Theres a subset called elasticity - how much prices rise or fall to a change in the supply:demand ratio, although it usually is used to refer to how pricing affects demand.
Oil/Gas is a more painful example. Once you start getting to the point where theres 2 peeps wanting the same barrel of oil things get ugly.
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