Reinstate the Draft [Archive]

Gwylenna

09-18-2004, 01:00 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6027815/

So we had Cheney suggesting that terrorists would be more likely to attack if we Elect Kerry, now the Kerry camp suggests that if we elect Bush the draft will come back. Shame on both sides. It really sucks when the politicians move from I am your man because to, vote for me or else.

Allison

09-18-2004, 01:06 AM

I can't wait for this election to be over.

cogsliastro

09-18-2004, 12:02 PM

Aelfwine

09-18-2004, 12:17 PM

This has been an election year to remember....

Bush and his constant smearing of kerry,and kerry trying to get on the bandwagon late.
Whos service in the military this and that and waa waa waa.

To be honest,i do not want bush in there anymore,but kerry is starting to make me a little un easy.

I agree with ya allison,i just want it to be over and done with.

Kerry has turned out to be a pretty sad candidate. Unless he tears Bush up in the debates or Irag goes to hell in the next two months this election is over.

Andolinni

09-18-2004, 08:14 PM

4 more years 4 more years :fuct:

Sparky

09-18-2004, 08:40 PM

No matter how bad Kerry may screw up before the election there's no way that I would change my vote to Bush. I've said it before and i'll say it again, i'm voting Kerry because he's NOT Bush, not because I like him, just because I dislike him less. I have a feeling that's where much of his support is going to come from. I played my party lines and voted for Bush when he was running against Gore and then he backstabbed me with this DOMA bullshit and betrayed the American people by pulling them into a war. I can't imagine Kerry finding some way to be worse if he gets elected.

Tammarion

09-18-2004, 09:03 PM

The other side thats really pissing me off is the house. Gerrymandering means that you get more and more extreme morons getting in and staying in, and this is the pool of peeps you more often than not are your future presidents.

Hammer

09-19-2004, 08:47 PM

Gerrymandering of congressional districts has been around for ever. Look at the NC 12th for a good example.

As for the Draft, I'm pretty sure it was congressman Rangle from NY calling for a reinstatement of the draft. It did get me thinking about it though. I think reinstating the draft isn't practical. We don't have the money for it. If you add the 1-2 million18-20 year olds to the military you have feed/cloth/house/train/station them. We simply don't have the bases available to make this practical. I think an option that has merit would be just basic training. 8-12 weeks to be done after high school. A little military discipline wouldn't be a bad thing and at worse, if we ever did need to call up more troops we would have a large pool that had already been through basic. Think of it as government sponsered summer camp;)

Rooster

09-19-2004, 08:52 PM

I think every 7 soldiers pays for the 8th... or something like that.

Noleader

09-19-2004, 09:58 PM

One thing that has always made America unqiue is the fact that we have a all volunteer military. Changing the way this works would undermind our military at its core. Yea it is a given no one likes to go to war but when you force people to go the quality of people there suffer and moral goes in the shitter.

Draft = Bad no matter how you shape it.

Tammarion

09-19-2004, 10:55 PM

Not to mention no one in the Pentagon ever suggests such a looney idea, because they have enough problems equipping and training the people it gets up to standard as it is. Just look at the trouble with getting enough interceptor vests.

Gwylenna

09-19-2004, 11:47 PM

(I am sure this will get some people riled up)

How about we put any man under 30 who is delinqunet on his child support in the military. That should swell the ranks pretty quick.

Sparky

09-20-2004, 12:21 AM

You're giving an advantage to the wealthy... that doesn't usually go over well.

Noleader

09-20-2004, 12:24 AM

Give them the option over jail time then sure... it must be a option though.

If it is forced it creates the same problems I highlighted above.

Gwylenna

09-20-2004, 12:57 AM

There are a lot of weathly men who choose not to pay child support and are now delinquent

Noleader

09-20-2004, 01:32 AM

There are a lot of weathly men who choose not to pay child support and are now delinquent
They just pay the lawyers it to keep them out of jail :)

Gwylenna

09-20-2004, 01:57 AM

They just pay the lawyers it to keep them out of jail :)
RFLMAO:rolly:

Roscoes_C&W

09-20-2004, 12:56 PM

I wouldn't mind going to fight. I mean working 50 hours a week living the typical bullshit life of wake up, go to work, come home, eat, go to sleep, weekends r spent working on more shit. Shit man, going to war and shootin up some shit doesn't seem all that bad.

Cavan

09-20-2004, 02:49 PM

Kerry and Edwards are REALLY grasping at straws now....

"... Bush is gonna have a massive National Guard Call-Up after the November Elections..."

"...Bush is gonna implement the Draft after the November Elections..."

Allison

09-20-2004, 03:10 PM

Cavan, you should really reserve the use of quotation marks for when you're actually quoting someone.

Boom

09-20-2004, 03:19 PM

But its so much easier to make Kerry look bad if you make up stuff and pretend he said it by putting it in quotes. :p

Cavan

09-20-2004, 03:27 PM

Kerry/Edwards reminds me of the Witched Witch of the West for the Wizard of Oz after the bucket of water was thrown on her....

"HELP ME!!!... HELP ME!!...."

Boom

09-20-2004, 03:35 PM

Can I make up fake Bush quotes to make him look bad too?

Oh wait, the real quotes are actually better than anything I can come up with.

Boom

09-20-2004, 03:37 PM

I seriously can't believe Kerry is losing. Its ridiculous.

Look at the attacks on Bush. Lies, jobs, economy, war, diplomacy, etc, etc, etc.

Look at the attacks on Kerry. He looks like wicked witch hahahahhahaa he has funny face and his wife says funny things!!!

Roscoes_C&W

09-20-2004, 03:42 PM

Kerry is losing because he concentrates his efforts towards the war in Iraq and most people don't feel comfortable voting out a president who is in the middle of the war because it shows weakness to the rest of the world. Most people feel like Bush should be able to finish what he has started and Kerry hasn't said anything to make people want to vote for him. He has consistantly criticized the methods of the war in Iraq thinking that it will get him votes but that isn't the case. As far as all those other things you mentioned besides war why would we want to vote for Kerry regarding those? He hasn't said anything about them and talked about what he will do so as far as im concerned none of those things will change with him in office so why should I vote out a war time president for a different president who doesn't have anything to say.

Cavan

09-20-2004, 03:46 PM

I seriously can't believe Kerry is losing. Its ridiculous.

Not only is he losing.. each day that passes.. he falls further and further behind... and the electoral vote goes up up up.. for Bush...

Cavan

09-20-2004, 03:49 PM

Link for Call-Up Quote...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/18/kerry_says_president_plans_huge_call_up/

Kerry says president plans huge call-up
By Patrick Healy, Globe Staff | September 18, 2004

ALBUQUERQUE -- Senator John F. Kerry accused the Bush administration yesterday of secretly planning to call up a substantial number of military reservists and National Guard units after Election Day to go to Iraq, opening a new front in the Democrat's ongoing attack that the president is concealing postwar instability in Iraq from American voters.
...
''He won't tell us what congressional leaders are now saying -- that this administration is planning yet another substantial call-up of reservists and Guard units immediately after the election," Kerry told 300 people at a community center here.

Roscoes_C&W

09-20-2004, 03:56 PM

I find it funny that Kerry's only criticism is that Bush is planning on calling up more reservists or is planning such and such after the election blah blah blah. So, why is that a bad thing? Maybe we need more reservists called up in order to end this war and win this war. Kerry doesn't know what is going on, he isn't in the war room deciding what needs to be done in order to win this thing. So this is all Kerry has to offer? Criticism on what Bush plans on doing to win the war? Geez, I should be running for president, you don't even have to have a plan, just criticize the current presidents methods and you get half the country voting for you because they don't care they just want a different name for the president.

Swifty_Johnson

09-20-2004, 10:15 PM

Kerry didn't do well in with the guardsmen, a groan went though the room when he said Bush lied. He's now firmly throwing away the military vote with his latest attacks over Iraq. I wounder who's making the calls on what issues to attack. Everyone agrees Iraq is Kerry's weak issue, he should stick to jobs and the economy.

Swifty

Cavan

09-22-2004, 04:28 PM

John Kerry now says Bush will implement the Draft if Bush is re-elected...

Here's your Link Boom and Allison...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_9

Murrie

09-22-2004, 04:30 PM

hmm... whom to vote for...
Apparently if Kerry gets elected we will have more Terrorist attacks,
If Bush gets elected they are gonna force me into the army.

Im voting for Pudding. Pudding never hurt anyone.

Cavan

09-22-2004, 04:32 PM

Kerry is grasping at straws.. trying to see what will work... trying to scare people into supporting him...

Noleader

09-22-2004, 04:38 PM

Oh you mean like when the VP said that if Kerry won there would be more attacks on the US?

Cavan

09-22-2004, 04:44 PM

Yeah.. just like that... I didn't agree with those statements... and two wrongs don't make it right... :D

Boom

09-22-2004, 04:44 PM

From Cavan's link, this is what Kerry said when asked about Bush reimplementing the Draft.

"If George Bush (news - web sites) were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea (news - web sites) and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."

So Kerry says that he can't tell us whether or not it is possible that Bush would implement the draft, and Cavan claims that Kerry said Bush will implement the draft. :p

Cavan

09-22-2004, 04:50 PM

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), citing the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and other trouble spots in the world, raised the possibility Wednesday that a military draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect President Bush (news - web sites).
Kerry said he would not bring back the draft and questioned how fairly it was administered in the past.

Hello Boom.. post the entire article... this part tends to make you believe Kerry did say it... :D

If you say.. "Oh.. if I'm elected.. I won't implement the draft.."... that tends to make people think your opponent will...

Roscoes_C&W

09-22-2004, 05:00 PM

Ya, don't pull a Swifty.

Murrie

09-22-2004, 05:08 PM

Yea the news report and specifically the headline are very misleading.
Like 99.4 % of the article has absolutely nothing to do with the draft...

You'ld expect more from respectable journalists.

What?
You wouldnt?

Murrie

09-22-2004, 05:29 PM

No need for the Draft, the war will be over very soon:

Boom

09-22-2004, 05:36 PM

Hello to you Cavan. :) Again, what Kerry said and what you claimed he said are two different things. Even in the part you just quoted, it merely claims that Kerry raised the "possibility" that a draft "could" (not would) be reinstated.

this part tends to make you believe Kerry did say it...
No, that part makes me think Kerry raised the possibility that a draft could be reinstated. It tends to make me think that because that is what it says. It does not tend to make me think Kerry said Bush will implement it, as you claimed, because it does not say that.

Your claim was that, "John Kerry now says Bush will implement the Draft if Bush is re-elected..." This claim is incorrect, Kerry did not say that Bush will implement anything. He merely was interpreted as raising the possibility that it could happen. And in the quote he specifically says that he couldn't really say whether or not it would happen.

If you are going to accuse him of grasping for straws, don't stretch his position beyond what he has said.