Was just thinking about it...

[Noleader]

Ok first off lets keep this one civil... I do not want anymore of my threads locked because people can not keep it above the belt.

We all attacked or defended Kobe's accuser yet none of us have taken the time to review Kobe.

The man swore to God on his marriage day that he would live the rest of his life with one woman. Then he gets caught with his pants down screawing some girl in a resort.

Everyone has attacked the girl because she ahs a history of lies and a sexual history to match. The reason I tend to believe the girl is Kobe broke the biggest promise anyone ever makes in their life, he cheated on his Wife. I am not sure about the rest of you but I have very little respect or trust in someone that can commit such a heartless act.

[Rooster]

Which is worse?

Breaking your vow of marriage...

Trying to get rich off a famous person by having sex with them then suing them for it.

I'm not saying which is - both show a severe lack of character.

[Noleader]

Which is worse?

Breaking your vow of marriage...

Trying to get rich off a famous person by having sex with them then suing them for it.

I'm not saying which is - both show a severe lack of character.
I personally think breaking your vows...

[Jammer]

That's kind of like being asked if you would rather have your eyes gouged out with a hot poker or smashed out with a ball peen hammer. I mean, you could make a case that the hot poker is better because it sterilizes the wound, but I really rather just not answer the question. :)

Jammer

[Noleader]

My question is: what is worse... Breaking the heart of the person you love, or trying to rip off someone you hardly know.

[Leiriel]

it has always been said that 2 wrongs never make it right.....but.....what kobe did is between him and his wife and for her to forgive. now as for the hotel gal, if she did it to blackmail him by crying rape so she could get some money out of it.....that's just as bad as kobe breaking his vows. i feel for any woman that has been raped, but this whole thing never had the 'feel' of a rape from the beginning. my theory is she got caught coming out of the room by another employee and made up the rape story. and in case you are wondering....i am a female myself.

[Post]

(this is all assuming that Kobe is innocent, and his accuser is lying for the money)

Here's the deal: although I don't forgive Kobe's wrongdoings, I atleast understand them. If put in his position, I can see how not being faithful is something you have to put effort into, and like every human, some can be weak. Again, not right at all, but atleast can be a human mistake.

His accuser, on the other hand, I cannot even fathom taking up her actions.

[Kegg OBeer]

Cheating on your wife can be done due to momentary indiscretions. That doesn't make it right, just (as Post said) human. Setting someone up to swindle their money takes premeditation.

[Swifty_Johnson]

It's intresting the Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, but his accuser is guilty without any presumption of innocence.

Swifty

[Noleader]

It's intresting the Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, but his accuser is guilty without any presumption of innocence.

Swifty
That and how quicky people dismiss the fact that he has lied to the person he is married to... Yet the rest of the world trusts him at face value.

[Boom]

Only two people know what really happened. Kobe and the girl. If she had sex with someone else afterwards does that mean anything? I really don't know. Rape really screws up people psychologically and while there may be some generalizations that can be made (not wanting to be touched by a man for a very long time) there are also exceptions (being in denial and not admitting to yourself that you were raped and going on with your normal promiscuous lifestyle). So I can't conclude anything by whether or not she had sex with other guys in the next 3 days or whatever. It's all conjecture and guessing and stuff. Kobe knows, and she knows. The rest of us are guessing. I think we are out of line if we attack her or if we attack Kobe for what happened between them. We aren't out of line for attacking Kobe for cheating on his wife. And we aren't out of line for attacking her for being stupid enough to be alone with a celebrity athelete. But if we say he raped her, or if we say she is a scammer, we are out of line. In my personal opinion.

And not to be too graphic, but I heard a rumor that he raped her in her backdoor and was so rough she needed stitches. If this rumor is true, it really makes Kobe look bad. Rough sex can be consentual, but if you need to have your pooper sewn up by a doctor afterwards, I have trouble seeing how that can be consentual. Even if you like it rough, that would cause enough pain that you would be screaming for it to stop. But this is rumor and I am probably out of line for repeating it (but since I am clearly stating that it is a rumor I think its ok). And I am not taking this as conclusive that he raped her, its just more fuel for the fire. My final opinion is that only Kobe and the girl will ever know for sure.

[Swifty_Johnson]

And not to be too graphic, but I heard a rumor that he raped her in her backdoor and was so rough she needed stitches.

And the rumor is she was bent over a chair at the time, not in laying in bed.

Swifty

[Boom]

Well, nothing wrong with doing it over a chair instead of in a bed. ;)

Or ductaped to the ceiling fan with peanutbutter smeared over your chest and feathers tied to your feet.

[Roscoes_C&W]

Kobe did what many many people do. I'm not saying it is right, but it is common and it only effects Kobe and his family. The girl did something that cost the people of Eagle, Colorado money. The tax payers pay the bill on this. She cost Kobe millions apon millions of dollers only to just drop out of the case. Kobe has paid his dues, she on the other hand will make out on the entire situtation without anything ever being proven or brought to light. Theres a winner and a loser, Kobe is the loser, she is the winner. Even without anything ever being proven, she is the winner. Even though she decided to not go forward with the case because she didn't want to testify, she is the winner. So here is the gameplan a woman can go by in order to be a WINNER:

1. Work at a fancy hotel as a concierge
2. Show a famous athlete around
3. Go to famous athletes room, just you and him, at 11Pm or later
4. Have sex with the famous athlete
5. Following days, have sex with other partners, such as previous boyfriends or maybe just a stranger on the street so as to cause more damage to the vagina.
6. Claim rape by the famous athelete, go get examined by doctor
7. Sit back and enjoy the free money from the rape victims funds.
8. Back out of case in last minutes and simply go for the money grab in the civil case because it is super easy to get money in the civil case, you don't even have to prove anything.
9. Go on Orpah
10. Go on Dr. Phil
11. Go on the Ellen Degeneres show
12. Write a book
13. Model in Playboy
14. Write a cook book
15. Do not work the rest of your life and enjoy the funds you have previous collected from steps 1-14.

[Boom]

Yes, that is theoretically possible. Absolutely. It is totally possible that he gave her the best loving of her life and she totally was digging it and afterwards decided to cash in and is laughing all the way to the bank. Not only is it theoretically possible, its not even a longshot. I wouldn't bet against it because there is a good chance its true.

But its also theoretically possible that he violently raped her so bad it would make us sick if we saw it and that she will have nightmares for the rest of her life and the psychological damage will screw up all her future relationships and that her life will be totally ruined even if she does get rich from this and she will commit suicide to end her misery. And again, not only is it theoretically possible, its not even a longshot. I wouldn't bet against it because there is a good chance its true.

Only Kobe and the girl know for sure.

[Roscoes_C&W]

But its also theoretically possible that he violently raped her so bad it would make us sick if we saw it and that she will have nightmares for the rest of her life and the psychological damage will screw up all her future relationships and that her life will be totally ruined even if she does get rich from this and she will commit suicide to end her misery. And again, not only is it theoretically possible, its not even a longshot. I wouldn't bet against it because there is a good chance its true.

If that is so true than why drop out of the case? I understand we do not know anything so we are left with deciding on our own. If she was so violently raped why not just go through with the case instead of head straight for the money grab? You all understand that she was the one who decided to not go forward with this case? Not the DA, who will now be out of a job because of her, not the prosecution team, who will now be labeled failures because of her, not anyone BUT HER. If she wanted to prove something and show the world the sick evil person that is Kobe Bryant she had her chance and chose not to so we are all left with making our own decisions.

[Eiru]

My final opinion is that only Kobe and the girl will ever know for sure.

Agreed. All else is speculation. Speculate away, folks.

[Boom]

Because recent developments made her realize that her chances of getting him thrown in jail were slim to none, so why put herself through all that hassle?

Its possible.

Remember, the standard for conviction in criminal court is "beyond a reasonable doubt." That is a very very high standard. That means that even if the jury thinks that Kobe did it, but they think there is a reasonable possibility that he might not have, they have to acquit him. Even if they personally believe he did it.

The standard in civil court is "a preponderance of the evidence." That is a very easy standard to meet. That means if you have a scale, and you put all of Kobe's evidence on one side of the scale, and all of the girl's evidence on the other side of the scale, and the scale just sliiiiiiightly tips to the girls side, she wins. If the jury in the civil case thinks its 51% chance that the girl is right and 49% chance that Kobe is right, then she wins the case.

If the jury in the criminal court thinks its only a 51% chance that the girl is right, she loses. Actually, if the jury in the criminal court thinks its 95% chance that the girl is right and 5% chance that Kobe is right, then they are supposed to acquit him, she would lose.

So maybe her lawyers advised her that based on everything that is happening, there is no way she can prove in court that she was raped "beyond a reasonable doubt" which would make it stupid to continue in criminal court. But her lawyers still think that she can prove she was raped "by a preponderance of the evidence," so it makes sense to proceed in civil court.

Remember, OJ was aquitted of murder in criminal court. But he was found guilty of wrongful death in civil court. They couldn't prove that he killed Nicole and that dude "beyond a reasonable doubt" but they had no problem proving that he killed then "by a preponderance of the evidence."

So if this girl's lawyers tell her that her case isn't strong enough to win in criminal court, but its strong enough to win in civil court, what should she do?

If both courts had the same standard of proof, then your argument would be a lot stronger. If she had the same chance of winning in both courts, it would seem really sleezy for her to be going for the money court and not for the jailtime court.

[Swifty_Johnson]

Also, with the rape shield law breeched, she was going to get bombarded about questions about her sexual past. How many people would feel comfortable talking about their history?

Swifty

[Noleader]

If that is so true than why drop out of the case?
That is a misconception among may people. The DA decides if they are going to drop the case... The Victim has very little say in it sadly.

[Roscoes_C&W]

Also, with the rape shield law breeched, she was going to get bombarded about questions about her sexual past. How many people would feel comfortable talking about their history?

The only part of the rape sheild law that was breached is that they were allowed to talk about the 3 day window between the supposed rape and the doctors examination. Nothing about her sexual history was allowed to be discussed nor her pshychological history. You have mentioned this before and I told you this same thing but you ignored it obviously. Doesn't it make sense to allow evidence from that 3 day window? I mean that would totally change the doctors exam if she was having sex with other people in that window.

That is a misconception among may people. The DA decides if they are going to drop the case... The Victim has very little say in it sadly.
Right, but the DA has to play with the cards he is dealt and he had a supposed victim who was unwilling to testify. There is no case if the supposed victim isn't going to testify. Yes, the DA files the paperwork and makes the final decision, but the woman is the one who dropped the case. Stop getting hung up on technicalities.

[Swifty_Johnson]

More on the civil case.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/07/bryant.case/index.html

Swifty

[Roscoes_C&W]

"The injury is enormous. This young girl will live with the scars of this rape for the rest of her life as well as the aftermath of being involved in this incident," he said.
Isn't that slander? How can someone go on TV and make a statement like that? He just said that Kobe Bryant raped her and it was never even proven, or close to proven, or even attempted to be proven. Now you tell me who is the loser in this case.

"Her privacy has been invaded, and her reputation has basically been destroyed. It's going to take her the rest of her life to get over it, if she really ever can."
Boooo Hooo, im crying my eyes out right now. O IT'S SO SAD. A woman can accuse a professional athlete of rape, blow tax payers money, then back out of the case cause she doesn't want her promiscuity in a 3-DAY WINDOW to be examined under a microscope and instead just go for the civil case where they can drag Kobe Bryant through the mud some more and then take his money. I FEEL SO BAD FOR THIS GIRL, WHAT A HORRIBLE AND TERRIBLE THING.

I feel so fucking horrible for her while her lawyers are going on national television slandering Kobe Bryant by calling him a rapist, while T-Shirts are sold throughout towns and on the internet that say "Kobe is a rapist" or something similar, while she will collect more money than most people in this country won't ever see, while Kobe will forever be known as a "rapist" and lose millions apon millions of dollers. Most the people in this country don't even know this girls name, ya sure information got leaked so alot of people do know her name, but most don't.

[Rooster]

Her reputation destroyed?

LOL!! If it's true, what the DNA results imply: Then she didn't LOSE any reputation, it was just brought to light.

[Hammer]

I think the question was which act was worst assuming the girl was guilty. Pretty simple. Kobe commited adultry - bad but not illegal. She commited blackmail - illegal. Her action was worse. The only person hurt by Kobe's cheating is Kobe and his wife. She hurt everyone who believed her, Kobe, his family, the companies that sponser him, black males, and that prosecuter is probably toast.

[Swifty_Johnson]

She commited blackmail - illegal.

No, Blackmail is give me money or I'll call the cops. She never did that.

Swifty

[Noleader]

Right, but the DA has to play with the cards he is dealt and he had a supposed victim who was unwilling to testify. There is no case if the supposed victim isn't going to testify. Yes, the DA files the paperwork and makes the final decision, but the woman is the one who dropped the case. Stop getting hung up on technicalities.
Lots of legal experts have been saying the DA was trying to get out of this case since the judge would not postpone the case anymore. You are getting hungup on the fact that the justice system does not work sometimes and then railing the girl for the flaws in our system.

[Noleader]

I think the question was which act was worst assuming the girl was guilty. Pretty simple. Kobe commited adultry - bad but not illegal.
Actully Hammer in Michigan if you cheat the person you are married to you can be brought up on changes of adultry. It is an older law but like any it can be enforced. So atleast in my state it is illegal.

[Noleader]

Her reputation destroyed?

LOL!! If it's true, what the DNA results imply: Then she didn't LOSE any reputation, it was just brought to light.
What was the results of the DNA test Roo? Also who was the ones that presented the results you are using. You are looking at this with your mind already made up. You assume the alleged victim is actully the guilty party long before she has had her day in court.

Making a claim in Civil Court is as viable option as filing a complaint in Criminal Court. Bottom line is everything that would have come out in the Criminal Case will come out in the Civil case. Only difference is she only has to provide more proof then him and not beyond doubt.

If she is making this up as you say then Kobe should have no issue proving his case out in Civil Court. Now had he done something wrong he is going to have a uphill battle.

Just as easy it is to say that she slept around we could say he is a high profile b-ball star that has never been told no. Had it been your friend or daughter in her place you would want to see justice done. Even if you win or lose atleast you tried.

I admire the alleged victim for her strength in coming forward and prosuing this case as far as she did. It is hard to face someone you are accusing and she also has the lights of the news media on her to top it off.

[Andolinni]

i heard a rumor boom took it in the backdoor from kobe too! I don't care if kobe is guilty or innocent, and i don't really care about the girl either... although the only FACTS i know about the case is the girl came up to his room at 10 or 11 at night, and that being a celebrity and making millions of dollars makes you a hot item (meaning he can pick and choose if he so chooses, i don't see why he'd pick a girl unwanting of his advances unless he's a lil coocoo in the head).

And as for the girl being judged as guilty... well swifty, fact is the girl won't ever be tried in court, so she cant ever be proven guilty or innocent, leaving it to the viewers and public opinion of what she is. Cause i know some people say, the jury is out on this one, i just wait to see what the jury decides and that'll prove the facts, but since the girl won't ever have a trial it's left to public opinion. The girl slept around, only way i would believe she is seriously messed up int he head is if a sobbin boyfriend went on camera saying his life is ruined cause his girlfriend won't let em get any action anymore.... then i MIGHT feel sorry for the two of them. everyone makes a big deal about kobe breaking his vows... but he's already appoligized, and if i remember correctly, kobe made those vows to his WIFE and god. so, unless your one of the two, wtf does it matter to you? and another thing, what about the girl having premarital sex, why no one jumpin her for that? it's like when kids have kids and the parents cry about the bad situation they're in.

[Andolinni]

Actully Hammer in Michigan if you cheat the person you are married to you can be brought up on changes of adultry. It is an older law but like any it can be enforced. So atleast in my state it is illegal.

in some middle eastern societies a woman can be legally killed for premarital sex. did anyone watch that episode of "dr. 90210"? a middle eastern girl had her.. whatever (hymen) it's called patched up to make her look like a virgin, even tho in rl she was a big sl*t.

[Noleader]

I don't want to side track this thread because it is actully staying civil and everyone is really speaking their minds, but I had to add this.

Ando, the funniest part is a female can break their hymen just by working out or taking part in some sports... So she could really be a virgin and have her hymen broken.

[Andolinni]

Right, but the DA has to play with the cards he is dealt and he had a supposed victim who was unwilling to testify. There is no case if the supposed victim isn't going to testify. Yes, the DA files the paperwork and makes the final decision, but the woman is the one who dropped the case. Stop getting hung up on technicalities.

actually, because the case was "the people of..." vs. kobe bryant, only the people can drop the case. Therefore, even tho the girl didn't want to testify, she COULD have been subpeniad (horrible spellin), and the case COULD have gone on. to me it only makes the accuser look even worse than ever, spend all that time and money and have it all over news, then drop it before anyone can get on with their lives. if she really wanted it over why sign up for another trial and drop the first? so what the prosecuter says to me, is that he doesn't have a strong enough case without the first hand account of the girl... which means the whole case was based on 1 woman saying she was raped.

[Andolinni]

I don't want to side track this thread because it is actully staying civil and everyone is really speaking their minds, but I had to add this.

Ando, the funniest part is a female can break their hymen just by working out or taking part in some sports... So she could really be a virgin and have her hymen broken.

i know that, i was told some women don't have a hymen, or at least... when engaged in sex, they won't have any blood.

[Noleader]

actually, because the case was "the people of..." vs. kobe bryant, only the people can drop the case. Therefore, even tho the girl didn't want to testify, she COULD have been subpeniad (horrible spellin), and the case COULD have gone on. to me it only makes the accuser look even worse than ever, spend all that time and money and have it all over news, then drop it before anyone can get on with their lives. if she really wanted it over why sign up for another trial and drop the first? so what the prosecuter says to me, is that he doesn't have a strong enough case without the first hand account of the girl... which means the whole case was based on 1 woman saying she was raped.
Bottom line is if Kobe wanted to he could counter sue her for his costs. I doubt you will see that or will you see this case go infront of a jury. Kobe will settle out of court for a undisclosed amount. Does that make him anymore guilty... no. Does it make the girls story look better... yea and no. People that have been in the system before know it is easier to pay and end it then it is to risk it and spend that money anyways.

[Roscoes_C&W]

Bottom line is if Kobe wanted to he could counter sue her for his costs.
I'm pretty sure one of the stipulations in the agreement to drop the case was that Kobe couldn't counter sue her. It seemed to me the only reason this case went as long as it did is because the girl didn't want to drop it and get sued. So they came up with an agreement, Kobe writes a letter of apology that cannot be used against him, Kobe agrees to not sue and the case is dropped. There will be no monetary agreement regarding the criminal case, it is over with. Now there is the civil case looming which will probably be settled out of court which is easy money for the girl.

I really need to get raped, or sorta raped, or have sex with Oprah or something. I don't want to work anymore. Too bad I have a penis and it is impossible to claim rape when you have a penis. There was a time that a female forced herself apon me, she groaped my private parts without my concent, then I got a boner and it was all downhill. I should have claimed rape.

[Noleader]

I'm pretty sure one of the stipulations in the agreement to drop the case was that Kobe couldn't counter sue her. It seemed to me the only reason this case went as long as it did is because the girl didn't want to drop it and get sued. So they came up with an agreement, Kobe writes a letter of apology that cannot be used against him, Kobe agrees to not sue and the case is dropped. There will be no monetary agreement regarding the criminal case, it is over with. Now there is the civil case looming which will probably be settled out of court which is easy money for the girl.

I really need to get raped, or sorta raped, or have sex with Oprah or something. I don't want to work anymore. Too bad I have a penis and it is impossible to claim rape when you have a penis. There was a time that a female forced herself apon me, she groaped my private parts without my concent, then I got a boner and it was all downhill. I should have claimed rape.
Think about that... If he is willing to go though so much to avoid the court case what does he have to hide?

[Rooster]

He is willing to avoid the court case? You mean, to settle?

It's called lawyers fees. Downtime from Basketball. More angry wife time. :(