Do you know your canidate?

[Jobius]

As I was reading the boards today, I started wondering with all the nominee bashing going on I don't remember anyone stating what their pesidential nomonee is good for. Always with the, "Well such and such did this or that camp did that!"

I also just don't understand the mind set that there is only two possible choices for presidency when there are more canidates then just the republican or democrat nomminee. I've stated before I don't see how you could vote for either Bush or Kerry so maybe I'm missing something.

So how about posting the man or woman your voting for, and thier positions on the issues that you agree with them.

[Allison]

Lol, don't expect a lot of replies here, Jobius. We'd much rather bash "the other guy" than talk about the issues. ;)

For me, I'm one of the millions who'll be casting a vote "against Bush" this year. My negative opinions about the Bush administration far outweigh my positive opinions of Kerry. So, I don't think I can give you what you want, which is a "I support this guy for this reason," as opposed to a "That guy sucks for this reason."

[Canidae]

I thought this thread was titled "Do you know your canidae" at first... LOL I was worried there for a sec.

[Jobius]

For me, I'm one of the millions who'll be casting a vote "against Bush" this year. My negative opinions about the Bush administration far outweigh my positive opinions of Kerry. So, I don't think I can give you what you want, which is a "I support this guy for this reason," as opposed to a "That guy sucks for this reason."

Sigh... That's what I hear a lot from people is that I sure don't like either but I sure don't like this guy so the other is getting my vote. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at, beside trying to understand why anyone would vote for Bush or Kerry, is why people think they are the only two options.

Is it because people feel they have to be on the winning side and since only Demmocrats and Republicans win they have a 50/50 shot?

Is it they think they are throwing away their vote by actually voting for a canidate that matches how they feel if it isn't Democrat or Republican?

I'm not Libitarian but I'll be voting for Gary Nolan. I agree with just about every stance he has, except his marijuana stance and that one I just don't care. He believes we are taxed too much, that we need to restore our civil liberties, relinquish a lot of the cotrol back to the states instead of the government, and believes we should pull back out of a lot of places unless they do pose a threat to our nation.

Thanks for posting how you feel Alli and I already exspected there to not be very many posts. :cheese:

[Jobius]

I thought this thread was titled "Do you know your canidae" at first... LOL I was worried there for a sec.

:rolly:

Hehehe you got some skelletons you need dusted off??? :p

[Allison]

I hear what you're saying, Jobius. In the past, I have voted for 3rd party candidates. But this year is different for me. And it is a bit sad. I don't want to get into a whole negative thing that would be interpreted as "bashing," so I won't. But voting 3rd party for me this year is just something I can't afford.

[Swifty_Johnson]

I am voting for G.W.B. becasue he is the best man running for President.

He's an honest American who truely loves this country.

He's gotten us out of the Clinton recession.

He's finally doing something right with the war on terrorism.

The country is expanding, and growing and jobs are getting created.

Unfortuantly he's also expanding goverment programs, but Kerry would be expanding goverment more than Bush ,so he is not an option.

Swifty

[Noleader]

I am voting for G.W.B. becasue he is the best man running for President.

He's an honest American who truely loves this country.

He's gotten us out of the Clinton recession.

He's finally doing something right with the war on terrorism.

The country is expanding, and growing and jobs are getting created.

Unfortuantly he's also expanding goverment programs, but Kerry would be expanding goverment more than Bush ,so he is not an option.

Swifty
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[Noleader]

I am voting Kerry because he does not lead with his bible but with his brain.

[Swifty_Johnson]

I am voting Kerry because he does not lead with his bible but with his brain.

Do you have a source to prove this?

Swifty

[Cavan]

Actually Kerry is leading his double speak with who ever will give him money... He's the classic Washington politician... "I'll do and say whatever someone wants... just as long as I get some money..."

I still support Bush because he's not from a Washington background... and I believe in less taxes for citizens... and I also believe in a strong military..

[Rooster]

Swifty, that's impossible to prove. Everyone knows Kerry is clueless.

I'd rather have someone lead from the Bible, with a good heart, than one steeped in deception and no logical foundation of political ideals, chaos, and no integrity.

[Allison]

See what I mean? No one will talk about specifics. It's always unrealistic, super-hero characterizations of "my guy" and villifying, insulting personal attacks on "the other guy."

Rooster, you crack me up. Who is this Kerry guy you're talking about? Could it be.... mmmm... SATAN? :laugh:

[Swifty_Johnson]

See what I mean? No one will talk about specifics.

Huh? How much more specific do you want me to get?

Swifty

[Allison]

Huh? How much more specific do you want me to get?

Swifty
You can be as specific or as general as you want. You can say, "I think my guy is superior in every way to the other guy," and just leave it at that. Subjective opinions are fine and dandy, but if you wanted to argue the validity of those opinions, you could explain what you're basing them on.

I am voting for G.W.B. becasue he is the best man running for President.

What does "best" mean for you? How is he "best?"

He's an honest American who truely loves this country.

How has he demonstrated his honesty? How has he demonstrated his love of this country? How do you know this man's heart?

He's gotten us out of the Clinton recession.

What policies did he create to get us out of this recession you speak of?

He's finally doing something right with the war on terrorism.

What has he done to fight terrorism and how has it, or will it have a positive affect on terrorism moreso than any other policy?

The country is expanding, and growing and jobs are getting created.

How has it expanded and grown more under Bush than any other president? What policies did he create that are responsible for this?

These questions are merely rhetorical. Don't feel you need to answer them for me, because I'm aware of Bush's policies, and already have my own opinions about them. I'm just asking them to clarify my previous remarks, as you asked.

[Rooster]

See what I mean? No one will talk about specifics. It's always unrealistic, super-hero characterizations of "my guy" and villifying, insulting personal attacks on "the other guy."

Rooster, you crack me up. Who is this Kerry guy you're talking about? Could it be.... mmmm... SATAN? :laugh:No, that was Howard Dean. :p

[Justar]

For me, I'm one of the millions who'll be casting a vote "against Bush" this year. My negative opinions about the Bush administration far outweigh my positive opinions of Kerry. So, I don't think I can give you what you want, which is a "I support this guy for this reason," as opposed to a "That guy sucks for this reason."

I'm all for nameless ballots. Would elimitate stupid shit like this ^^. How about people vote for what they want done, and what they support, rather a name or a party. The media is mostly responsible for the partisan-shit this country has been wallowing in. I blame the elite media, double-talk candidates like Kerry, and Bush in not helping his own struggling ass out. I seriously want to get my own fucking island, move out of corporate bullshit of a country sip coconuts with hot supermodels who respond to "Now" and "Faster".

[Rooster]

Justar, lemme know, as long as it has broadband, I'm there... :)

[Allison]

I'm all for nameless ballots. Would elimitate stupid shit like this ^^. How about people vote for what they want done, and what they support, rather a name or a party.
You obviously don't know me very well, Justar. If you mistook my words to mean that I'm voting for Kerry simply because I'm a Bush-hater, then I suggest you re-read what I actually said. I don't vote based on party affiliation. Never have. And I certainly don't buy into campaign and media rhetoric. I familiarize myself with the candidates and their positions and I vote based on my personal convictions of who will do the better job. I don't think that's a "stupid" approach in the least.

I will agree with you, however, that there is too much partisan BS floating around. But, I don't blame the media for that nearly as much as you do. They didn't create partisanship. They just report on it. Who I blame are the politicians who benefit from it, and the public, who eat it up by the spoonful like a nice steamy bowl of Jerry Springer.

[Rooster]

nice steamy bowl of Jerry Springer.Thanks. That's an image I really could have gone without. :p

[Allison]

:rolly:

[Justar]

You obviously don't know me very well, Justar. If you mistook my words to mean that I'm voting for Kerry simply because I'm a Bush-hater, then I suggest you re-read what I actually said.

You said "For me, I'm one of the millions who'll be casting a vote "against Bush" this year."

How the hell did I misread that?


I will agree with you, however, that there is too much partisan BS floating around. But, I don't blame the media for that nearly as much as you do. They didn't create partisanship. They just report on it. Who I blame are the politicians who benefit from it, and the public, who eat it up by the spoonful like a nice steamy bowl of Jerry Springer.

Read up on the "Elite Media". The media in that sense is more a part of the partisanship than anything else in this country. To say the media doesn't break down politics into a party-name is to put on the "Hey, look at me I'm ignorant" cap.

[Allison]

How the hell did I misread that?

I don't know. Perhaps, you should try and not assume so much when reading people's posts? And while you're at it, maybe you can explain to me why my vote is "stupid shit?"

I am very familiar with Kerry and Bush, their policies, their visions, and the people who have their ear. I'm not crazy about either candidate. But I am particularly and extremely unhappy with some of the policies of the Bush administration. All other things being relatively equal for me, these policies are the tipping point for me in deciding my vote. Yes, it's a little sad that there isn't a viable candidate out there that I can get behind and say, "Wow, this guy is everything I want!" But there isn't. And in the absense of that, it's not only legitimate, but it's responsible for me to compare the negatives as well as the positives.

So, now that I've spelled it out for you, do you want to again try to explain how my vote is "stupid?"

Jobius had asked us to list the candidate we're voting for, and why we support him. I told him I couldn't do that because the tipping point for me wasn't all the great and wonderful things about my candidate, but the things I viewed as negative about the other candidate. He was trying to get a positive thread going, I tried to respect that, and you call it "stupid."

To say the media doesn't break down politics into a party-name is to put on the "Hey, look at me I'm ignorant" cap.
So now I'm ignorant, too? Is that your usual style of debate? Someone disagrees with you so they're automatically stupid and ignorant? For the record, I never said that "the media doesn't break down politics into a party-name." I said I "don't blame the media for [partisan BS] nearly as much as you do.

[Rooster]

Alli's just gonna vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Badger]

I will be voting for Bush.

I have seen Kerrys voting records. I do not like them. I do not like Eurpoean style Socialism, that is what Kerry supports.

Im not ignorant and emotional about everything that doesnt matter. Whats the purpose of voting if we are just throwing away our country to the UN? Kerry will do that.

Clinton was a failure on terror. Bush is at least trying to attack our enemies. Kerry will fail if he is elected. Kerry is a liar and a cheat. He is a sellout.

Bush may be rich, but he sure isnt a sellout politician.

Bush may be a man of faith, but a person like Kerry, who claims to have faith, and defies his own church rulings is not a man of integrity. There is no such thing as separation of church and state. It just doesnt exist.

It all boils down to ignorance and the love of self. Most of the Bush haters are godless selfish negative freaks.

Athieism is the tool of communism, check out Marx and see. Tools are used to subvert our country in an agenda of world government. The UN is the core of the world government, which seeks to force us all to do their bidding.

Would you want to live in a country where you were not allowed to wear your religious clothing?

Anyhow Kerry has no stance I can agree with, no platform, no morals. He wants power for powers sake.

And when everyone is forced to pray to Allah in a mosque, you can come cry to me, because if we dont fight terror, which is ALL Islamic, dont pull the Irish thing out, thats different.

Bush WILL fight terror, here and abroad. Kerry will wring his hands and ask the UN what to do. And the UN has proven to be worthless bloat existing only to further itself.
I cant vote for that.

[spyder913]

Badger every post you make worries me a little more...

[Grundy]

Having Bush in charge is like letting the fat kid drive the school bus for a couple stops on the morning route. Sure its really funny at first but eventually he is going to run some people over.

We need a regime change cuz this facism / secrecy strategy is just getting the rest of the world pissed off at us. My vote is strictly to remove Bush. I suggest replacing him with a Magic 8 Ball.

Athieism is the tool of communism As for Atheism, being a free thinker who has the ability to question authority is a good thing. I would suggest Religion as the tool to control the masses of weak-minded.

As for Communism, learning to share is a good thing while being a greedy selfish bastard is a bad thing. So I am all for learned folks who can think for themselves and who share their good fortune with others.

I vote for Athiest Communists!

[Allison]

Lol, Grundy. You crackin me up. :laugh:

[Rooster]

Being forced to share is wrong. (communism bad)

Sharing voluntarily is good. (free society good)

Motivation to succeed is good. (capitalism good)

Sitting on your ass because everyone else will SHARE to provide for you is wrong. (communism bad)

Not being able to reason beyond your understanding of science = weak minded.

[Grundy]

Actually most of us are morphing into stinking bourgeois pigs.

The goal of Communism (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm)is to liberate the proleteriat which is those of us whose income is soley derived from their own labor. Bourgeios class purchases needed labor as a commodity from the proletariat.

If you think about it, we start off in our early 20s as proletariat. Whatever we dont spend on beer we invest a little each month and slowy our capital increases provding meager returns. As each year passes though a lager and larger percentage of our income is from capital investment. By the time we retire of course, ALL of our income needs to come from capital investments.

If all goes well I hope to be a fully fleshed bourgeois pig by 50! OINK! POINK!
Oh yeah...that reminds me. I need my fence painted and my gutters cleaned and my lawn mowed. I sure hope those stinking North Carolina Communists have not liberated the local migrant workers.

[Rooster]

:eh:

[Grundy]

I dont speak Canadian.

The great thing about my candidate is his accesibility. He will engage directly with his constiutency.

So I asked my candidate: "Are you running for office in 2004?" and he responded "Decidedly So".

Such candor!

I followed up with "Is John McCain your running mate?" and he responded "It is doubtful".

So forthright!

I don't know of another candidate who is more frank than this. Its good to hear a fresh voice in Washington. You can interact directly with my candidate at his official web site (http://www.mattelgames.com/magic8/flash_index.asp).

[Allison]

Lol, methinks Grundy is having a little fun with Rooster. ;)

[Sparky]

Mine said concentrate and ask again :/

[Jobius]

I vote for Athiest Communists!

:rolly:

[Noleader]

I have seen Kerrys voting records. I do not like them. I do not like Eurpoean style Socialism, that is what Kerry supports.

Im not ignorant and emotional about everything that doesnt matter. Whats the purpose of voting if we are just throwing away our country to the UN? Kerry will do that.

Clinton was a failure on terror. Bush is at least trying to attack our enemies. Kerry will fail if he is elected. Kerry is a liar and a cheat. He is a sellout.
Man,

I am a Citizen of Italy and America (Born in USA). If I did not give you the benifit of doubt I would assume you are trying to say Eurpoean sytle Socialism = Lair, Cheat, sellout.

Please chose your words in a wiser manner...

[Boom]

I would vote for Justar if he ever gets around to hax0ring nakednews for me.

Otherwise I am voting for Boomkitty. He is the only candidate who is 100% sincere. He is sitting in my lap right now and looking up at me with nothing but sincerity in his big beautiful eyes.

[Swifty_Johnson]

Why vote for Bush.

He's an honest American who truely loves this country.

His reactions to 9/11 and the steadfast defence of the country afterwards, even after so called "allies" left us hanging becasue there were getting blood money, shows that he is looking out for the U.S.A. Bush doens't rule based on polls, but based on what's right for America.

He's gotten us out of the Clinton recession.

The country is expanding, and growing and jobs are getting created.

Bush pushed an aggressive tax cut that put more money into the American pocketbook, and increased spending. The increased spending fueled the economic recovery that has created jobs and has given us great economic news the last few months.

That good enough for you Ali?

Swifty

[]LoL[Harm]

Not being a Christian and decidedly against the current bi-partisan system I hereby announce my candidacy for President of the United States under the political affiliation of the Godless Socialist Party also known as the Atheist Communistic Party.

My running mate, The Magic 8 Ball will base our campaign on tools that will be used to subvert the United States of America and attempt to force all those under us to do our bidding. We will convert everyone to Allah worshippers and require under penalty of death that they worship in the newly created SOCIALIST MOSQUE SYSTEM. We will cherish ignorance and the love of self since these are not only the foundations of our party but also the foundations of my personal religion…since it is not a God-Fearing Christian one.

[Grundy]

i think i peed myself on that one Harm:rolly:

[Swifty_Johnson]

Harm? I am confused, if you are godless why worship allah?

How about creating a diety? You can pick one with a flashy name, hell make it a blond with big boobs, more appeal.

I think you'll be a shoo-in.

Swifty

[]LoL[Harm]

LOL, good call Swifty I need a golden calf!


A community that supports itself. (communism good)

The welfare of workers is overlooked or undercut. (capitalism bad)

Everyone being provided for equally. (communism good)

Relying on the voluntary "giving" of the capitalist society. (free society weak)


There are good things and bad things about all governments. The ideals that back them are perfect, mans implementation of them is hindered by his imperfections. I don't support communism, but nor do I support capitalism. And I never rely on the kindness of strangers in this great American land of ours that worships money and possesions.

[Rooster]

Community supports itself does not equal communism (capitalistic society provides for itself)

Welfare of workers is sustained by labor laws and allows for choice in employment (Captalism good)

Provided for equally is not justice, it is not fair. Being provided for by your willingness to take care of yourself = just & fair.

Eliminiating choice from society, you do whatever is needed by the community, "Hey you, you're on sewage detail" (communism bad)

Unlike your points, mine are actually accepted statements, irrefutable no less. Yours are reaches of the imagination taken in a vacuum. Mine are truths regardless.

Good try though :)

[Rooster]

Communism is only helpful for the lazy and the uneducated.

[Swifty_Johnson]

Communism is only helpful for the lazy and the uneducated.

Where do I sign up?

Swifty

[]LoL[Harm]

Unlike your points, mine are actually accepted statements, irrefutable no less. Yours are reaches of the imagination taken in a vacuum. Mine are truths regardless. Watch it there pot, I may be a kettle but we share the same color on this one.

(capitalistic society provides for itself)
Capitalistic society does NOT provide for itself, it provides for the corporations. Labor laws are great and all as long as the labor stays in the country and doesn’t go to the best labor market…which is NOT in this country. Explain ghetto's? Explain the ring effect of city development? Irrefutable…thoughts in vacuum?
Eliminiating choice from society, you do whatever is needed by the community, "Hey you, you're on sewage detail" (communism bad)If you believe that a communistic society does not play to the strengths of its workers than you are not thinking clearly. If you are skilled labor you do what you are skilled at. If you have no skills you work the junk jobs…just like capitalism. Or do you consider being forced to work manual labor or fast food joints, due to lack of skills, a choice?

Provided for equally is not justice, it is not fair. Being provided for by your willingness to take care of yourself = just & fair. Believing that our current setup is JUST and FAIR is lunacy. It may strive to be JUST and FAIR, just like the ideals of communism, but it fails when man implements it.

“Accepted statements”? Irrefutable?
Not quite…but nice try. ;)



I stick by my first answer, one that I can’t believe you don’t agree with:

There are good things and bad things about all governments. The ideals that back them are perfect, mans implementation of them is hindered by his imperfections. I don't support communism, but nor do I support capitalism. And I never rely on the kindness of strangers in this great American land of ours that worships money and possesions.