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Swifty_Johnson
05-14-2004, 11:20 AM
http://www.arabnews.com

The American-funded Arabic television station, Al-Hurra, recently interviewed a number of American-loving Kuwaitis and Iraqi Kurds concerning the abuse of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib.

They all called the abuse a minor incidents compared to what happened during the rule of Saddam Hussein. None of the American-lovers from the Gulf criticized the shameful acts inside Abu Ghraib.

It was American-loving Gulf citizens who were silent about American crimes during the Gulf war when 10,000 Iraqi soldiers were buried by bulldozers in their trenches in the Iraqi desert. Those were not considered mass graves nor were the Americans held accountable.

It is the American-loving Gulf citizens who continue to dance and rejoice at the killing and humiliation of the Iraqi people and to seem pleased whenever a new discovery of mass graves near Basra or Baghdad is announced.

It doesn’t matter if in fact the remains are Iraqi soldiers killed during the war with Iran and buried in marked graves known to international organizations. The remains dug up by the British and Americans are also described as mass graves for Iraqis killed by Saddam.

Why have the American-loving Gulf citizens been silent about the killings and mutilations in Fallujah, Karbala and Najaf, at the deaths of more than two million Iraqi men, women and children during more than 12 years of economic boycott during which the Iraqis were denied even medical supplies? Why were the graves where those men, women and children were buried in Baghdad, Basra, Amara, Najaf, Kufa, Karbala and Mosul considered mass graves while no mass graves were ever discovered in Kurdish areas which were spared the effect of sanctions because they were under American protection? When the Americans dug up the bodies of Iraqi children who died during sanctions, our American-loving Gulf citizens celebrated the discovery of mass graves.

No one said these were in fact graves of Iraqi children who died from lack of milk and medicines and who were the victims of nuclear and chemical radiation caused by American bombers.

The American-loving Gulf citizens continue their silence over the mass graves being created by the Americans and the British in the current war against Iraq in which tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers have been killed and whole divisions buried in the desert and civilian areas destroyed with their residents buried in rubble.

These were later called mass graves and attributed to Saddam.

Those who rejoice over the suffering and humiliation of Iraqis should remember that Iraq will always be there, a geographical, historical and cultural reality.

They should remember that a day will come when the occupiers will leave, with history consigning them to oblivion and that only the people of Iraq, Arabs and Kurds, will remain
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This is what we are up aginst. So much BS there isn't not even funny.

Swifty

]LoL[Harm
05-14-2004, 11:29 AM
More hate fille propaganda. Don't think this doesn't go on in the US or any other country around the world every day however. There are always people filled with hate attempting to plant seeds into any willing minds. The best way to combat this is through education...or an effective counter-propaganda machine ;)

Rooster
05-14-2004, 11:49 AM
I'm sorry, but I think it's hilarious to picture 10,000 soldiers sitting in trenches while bulldozers push dirt over them

WTF, RUN AWAY!

Oh, and wtf is chemical radiation?

]LoL[Harm
05-14-2004, 11:53 AM
I'm sorry, but I think it's hilarious to picture 10,000 soldiers sitting in trenches while bulldozers push dirt over them
You must be behind on your info Roo, we have stealth bulldozers now. ;)

Swifty_Johnson
05-14-2004, 12:27 PM
Well, there was a large number of Iraqi troops in Bunkers on the Kuwait/Saudi border that we simply buried in gulf war 1.

Swifty

Cavan
05-14-2004, 02:19 PM
Those we buried in the Trenches were already dead.. and yes.. the carpet bombing with cause caves and trenches to cave in and bury those soldiers alive... but I HIGHTLY Doubt that anyone involved with the American Coalition of the First Iraq War buried anyone alive.

Rooster
05-14-2004, 06:28 PM
...intentionally.

PoxTheSmall
05-14-2004, 06:36 PM
The chemical radiation was a result of the rounds that they were using experimentally in the first gulf war. Apparently, some soldiers were using piercing rounds that were laced with some hot burning irradiated substance that got a lot of folks who were in contact with the rounds and the areas hit by them to get really sick. One of the guys who was in OoA (Katya's husband, I can't remember his name) was one of the guys who used these and he said that over time most of the guys (including himself) were diagnosed with cancer.

Allison
05-14-2004, 06:46 PM
It's certainly biased. But, is anyone going to refute the facts of the article? Swifty?

Noleader
05-14-2004, 07:08 PM
I'm sorry, but I think it's hilarious to picture 10,000 soldiers sitting in trenches while bulldozers push dirt over them

WTF, RUN AWAY!


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

So True

Noleader
05-14-2004, 07:12 PM
The chemical radiation was a result of the rounds that they were using experimentally in the first gulf war. Apparently, some soldiers were using piercing rounds that were laced with some hot burning irradiated substance that got a lot of folks who were in contact with the rounds and the areas hit by them to get really sick. One of the guys who was in OoA (Katya's husband, I can't remember his name) was one of the guys who used these and he said that over time most of the guys (including himself) were diagnosed with cancer.
It was Depleted Uranium ammo that caused a lot of the issues... Please look to the links for more details.

http://www.ccnr.org/du_hague.html
http://www.ccnr.org/bertell_book.html

PoxTheSmall
05-14-2004, 07:15 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant!

Rooster
05-14-2004, 07:36 PM
Uranium is not chemical.

Case in point: NBC gear. Nuclear-Biological-Chemical. We haven't used any chemical weapons since Agent Orange (used to deforest areas suspected of concealing NVA tunnels and fortified positions).

spyder913
05-14-2004, 08:49 PM
chemical radiation is not a good term

either the object is 'bad' because it is chemical (IE sarin gas) and causes harm by chemical means or it is causes harm by radioactive means (IE dirty bombs that spread depleted uranium around to irradiate the targets)

Uranium is definitely a chemical, but it's not a chemical weapon.

Rooster
05-14-2004, 09:02 PM
While true, a more accurate term would be element.

spyder913
05-14-2004, 09:06 PM
no that would be more precise ;) They're both accurate

Allison
05-14-2004, 09:15 PM
:rolly:

Swifty_Johnson
05-14-2004, 09:35 PM
It was Depleted Uranium ammo that caused a lot of the issues... Please look to the links for more details.

Sorry, but it was media hype that over blew the DU issue. There was factories that were bombed by U.S. forces in Iraq that people got sick around afterwards, all the hype was DU DU DU!!!

Unfortuantly for them we do not use DU in bombs, just anti-tank munitons.

Same thing with DU and the Gulf War Syndrome. Some of the people who are aflicted were not exposed to DU dust. Other theroies are anti-nerve agent than some of them were exposed to. Again it will be hard to know the real answer.

Swifty

Noleader
05-15-2004, 05:37 AM
Sorry, but it was media hype that over blew the DU issue. There was factories that were bombed by U.S. forces in Iraq that people got sick around afterwards, all the hype was DU DU DU!!!

Unfortuantly for them we do not use DU in bombs, just anti-tank munitons.

Same thing with DU and the Gulf War Syndrome. Some of the people who are aflicted were not exposed to DU dust. Other theroies are anti-nerve agent than some of them were exposed to. Again it will be hard to know the real answer.

Swifty
You could start by posting your source for this information you posted as I did above.

Swifty_Johnson
05-15-2004, 10:13 AM
Go to the Janes Website and look up all the US Bombs and nowhere in their componet list is DU listed. DU is only use in anti-tank penetrators.

Now get a listing of veterns affected from Gulf War Syndrom. Looks at some of their job classifactions. Some are in supply units, and one was in a supply unit and taken POW. She had zero exposure to DU dust.

Swifty

Rooster
05-15-2004, 12:06 PM
Supply Unit does bring ammunition. But they're typically in very well sealed boxes. (at least ammo for the F-15's & F-16's are).

Swifty is correct though. They don't use DU tips in anything but heavy weapons. Bombs are pure explosive or low-yield nukes (which we haven't used).

Swifty_Johnson
05-15-2004, 04:38 PM
Supply Unit does bring ammunition. But they're typically in very well sealed boxes.

Yes, but to be exposed to DU dust you must be in the area after a DU round strikes, or downwind from the strike, or handle the wreck when it's disposed. Also, the Highway of death was the highest concentration of DU used in any one area as A10 Warthogs and helicopters slaughtered retreating Iraqi's.

How come Kuwait isn't reporting the Illness that the Iraqis are?

Swifty

Rooster
05-15-2004, 08:02 PM
True, DU Is used in the A-10's ammo I believe. Not in the Apache's 30mm gun, those are High Explosive rounds.

Swifty_Johnson
05-15-2004, 11:59 PM
The Apache has a 30MM M230 cannon and PGU-14/B API Armor Piercing Incendiary [DU] rounds for it.

Swifty

Kegg OBeer
05-16-2004, 04:37 AM
Anyone not qualified or properly equipped would never handle DU in the military. It's possible that some soldiers were exposed to it via battleground conditions, but it couldn't possibly be so widespread as it's been claimed.

While a few people were affected by these things, I honestly believe a lot of the people claiming it are just riding the bandwagon trying to get benefits. For instance, if I were to suddenly come down with cancer, it would be easy for me to claim I got it there, while in reality, I could have gotten it from the damn microwave or something.

Rooster
05-16-2004, 11:13 AM
Not that the gov't shouldn't take care of it's veterans.

Kegg OBeer
05-17-2004, 10:43 PM
I didn't mean to imply that all all Roo. In fact, I think they don't do enough these days as it is...