I don't think I could be President

[PoxTheSmall]

Based on the fact that things like apologizing for the mistreatment of those prisoners, I'd feel would just be lame...I mean, let's be real...it's a prison, things like that happen from time to time. It's not that I'm saying it's okay or fine, it's crappy and all, but I mean...really...stripping some guy naked and taking pictures of him beats the crap out of kidnapping a Wall Street Journal journalist (who was just then a father of a toddler) and blowing his brains out on TV.

[PoxTheSmall]

Also, let me add that those folks in those pictures were being "punnished" for beating up a prison guard.

[Allison]

Hehe, Pox.

It's not unlike being a husband, is it? After an argument, you can talk all day long about why you said what you said, or who was right, or who was justified. But nothing will get you peace as quickly and easily as these three little words: I am sorry. ;)

[PoxTheSmall]

True, but it seems like it's a lot of apologies for things that I can honestly say I'd have absolutely no remorse for.

[Swifty_Johnson]

If you can't say I'm sorry for something you didn't do, don't feel like you should apologize for, or to make the other person happy, don't get into politics or married.

Swifty

[PoxTheSmall]

I am married. I think I'm fairly diplomatic, but as for taking blame for crap that I didn't do, that's a negative.

[Roscoes_C&W]

Thats Not True!!!!! You're Wrong On This One!!!!

[PoxTheSmall]

Well, actually it's not that Bush did or did not do anything, but I honestly don't think that I'd have remorse enough to consider an apology a really needed thing...that's just my personal, heartless though on that matter.

[Roscoes_C&W]

I wouldn't mind apologizing with a few nukes shoved up they asses. turn that shits to glass.

[]LoL[Harm]

Sacrificing your pride and any other barrier to empathic and alturistic thought/speech is essential for strong relationships. If you can't take the blame for something you didn't do to ease the pain of another then, in my opinion, you will find difficulty in leadership roles and roles where communication is vital.

[Roscoes_C&W]

ya, basically what i said.

[Mateicht]

To apologize for someone elses actions is an every day ocurrance. example: I'm sorry you are a stupid bastard...:D

This would not be happening if they didnt take pics of their ignorance. Do they not know that the internet goes to every camera and computer at nite and uploads only the pics that make parents proud?! :stupid:

[Hammer]

Why exactly was it necessary to apologize to the king of Jordan? Where the prisoners from Jordan? Next time somebody offends Britian GWB should expect a full apology. /boggle

[PoxTheSmall]

I think it was because the King of Jordan was a visiting delegate when the pictures emerged.

And yeah, I'm a horrible leader...

[Boom]

I don't want to be president either.

I WANT TO BE KING!!!!!

[Allison]

Why exactly was it necessary to apologize to the king of Jordan? Where the prisoners from Jordan? Next time somebody offends Britian GWB should expect a full apology. /boggleHehe, well, look at this way. Everytime the U.S. gets bad press in the Arab world (and this was a doozy), it makes it more difficult for our Arab allies to publicly support us without causing conflict within their own countries, among other things. So, I gotta give Bush credit for apologizing to him. But, I do wonder why he'd used "the S word" with the King of Jordan and not the Iraqi people.

[PoxTheSmall]

Any Arab country has a hard time backing Bush. Hell, he's hated in just about every Arab nation including Turkey. A lot of them feel that this wasn't a justified action and that America really has no business policing other nations like it is. This is from family members living in Turkey (who accuse me as if I did it personally).

As an honest feeling though, if there were guards being beaten by mobs of prisoners in a military jail, I'd think that the crap done to those guys was light in comparison. After all, those are POWs and the rights of any prisoner to begin with are vague if not nealy non-existant...and when folks riot in a jail, there should be significant reprocussions.

[PoxTheSmall]

Translation: I'd not hesitate to shoot and kill prisoners who were beating a prison guard in a POW camp.

I mean, these are the same people who fired on a civilian caravan and then paraded the corpses through the streets with pride, like it was some kind of accomplishment.

Also, someone really needs to kill Muqtada al-Sadr.

[]LoL[Harm]

No no no no, no killing al-Sadr, let his own people deal with him we just need to disarm him. Killing him makes him a martyr and proves his words correct in the eyes of the people. Learn from history.

[PoxTheSmall]

How do you think that he'd look any less a martyr if his own people kill him?

[spyder913]

It's never good to make your enemy a martyr.

[PoxTheSmall]

What about kicking your enemy in the crotch?

[Hammer]

That's always good if you can get away with it;)

I still don't get it. Are all arabs alike? That's pretty dangerous territory. I could see discussing the issue with him, much like you might discuss the germans with Tony Blair, but I doubt you would appologize to him for acts committed against germans.

[Figtoria]

I think the pictures are really gross and if that girl was my daughter I would be deeply, deeply ashamed of her.

It's certainly nothing compared to the atrocities that other regimes carry out, but that doesn't make it right.

Isn't the whole point that we in the west are supposed to be "better" than that? Isn't that what the fighting is about - human rights and dignity?

[Boom]

That's what I said in another thread. The pics bummed me out because we are supposed to be the good guys.

I'm glad we aren't NEARLY as bad as the bad guys. But still, I like to think that we are the really really really good guys.