Chat groups

[Swifty_Johnson]

Lets have alittle more repect in the emain chatgroups. I know that we cannot police people outside the alliance, but lets put peer pressure.

I have a guildie complain about the use of ethnic slurs, gender slurs, and other inapproiate words in emain chats. Lets see that this stops. We are here to have fun, not see this kind of stuff.

Swifty

[Nymf]

let him know about the /ignore and /filter commands.
Hadnt seen anything serious in awhile that hadnt come from a single person that u can easily ignore

[spyder913]

like nymf says.. not much you can do about the people that are stupid about it in the first place. we can't remove people but still have public chat groups

[Allison]

Unfortunately, the people that are a problem usually just get worse when other people tell them to stop whatever it is they're doing. They think they're being clever and cute. That's not to say you shouldn't tell them to stop, though. Just don't get baited into a public pissing contest with 10 people yelling back and forth at each other.

It would be nice if there were a /cgban command. Then you could just ban them without resorting to a passworded cg. But, in the absense of that, the only thing we can do is to send them a message asking them to stop. If they don't, and it's really bad, take a screenshot and file a complaint with their GM. Or, if it's really really bad, file a harassment appeal.

Whatever the case, though, I agree that we should discourage the kind of behavior you're talking about, at least within our own alliance. :)

[crendalerst]

i agree.. sometimes i like to mess around and have a little fun in cgs, but hopefully I don't offend people.. I know that gatorboots, an alb, has been logging into our cgs a lot lately though and spamming pretty bad. Also as for racial slurs I've never really seen that, i've only seen people saying "jew" which could be taken as a racial slur, except that thumos of TicTacs goes by the nickname of jew.. so people that don't know that's his nickname could find it offensive..

[Swifty_Johnson]

The guildie knows about the /ingore option and people are on it, but he indicated to me that the chat got really really bad with the n-word racial slur used. Of couse when I logged into the chat to see what was going on, everthing quited down and I didn't see a thing.

IT was bad enough that he appealed and the CSR told him to leave the chat group. I will be writing a letter to mythic about this today.

As leaders we need to crack down on this sort of thing. People play this game to have fun, not be assulted with this sort of thing. CGs should be a place where people can assist with the realm defence, not be verbally assulted with slurs. If people fear entering into public CGs we are doomed down the road. We all know how disasterous the probelms we had before with people spamming the CGs with crap, lets nip this at the bud and prevent it from becomming an issue again.

Swifty

[Ziggin]

I know exactly who your guildie is probably refering to swifty.

I think it's Cinderpunk. He just jokes around, but he does throw the word around alot.

I do agree that this is no place for stuff like that....I really dont think those type of words have a place at all really anywhere.

[Leiriel]

i thought any type of racial slurs were against the eula/tos agreements, but besides that....maybe everyone in the cg should put the offending member on ignore.

[Morety]

Yep, Cinder's the one I've seen throwing that word around constantly. He really must've smoked a doobie too many as he has no clue.

I'm with you Swifty, let's get a bit more vocal if/when we see this behaviour.

[Morety]

...oh yeah, the CSR should not say "leave the group", that's utter bs. He should be on top of the offender, especially if there's screenshot or logged proof.

[PoxTheSmall]

I think just taking it with a grain of salt is best. Personally, I don't get offended by much of anything in game, because I know that even if something did offend me, there's next to nothing I can do about it...resulting in well...just me getting angry, which isn't why I play a game anyhow. Just have your guildie put that person or persons on ignore and leave it at that, unless Mythic institutes a better policy.

Btw, I was in the chat group and it wasn't Cinder, although that jackass does go off like that on occasion.

[QwayMelqnu]

True, I also realize there's not much you can do to get kids (I'm assuming they're kids. If they're people that are out of high school, that's just...sad really) like that to stop doing what they do. They're little bratty kids that didn't get enough attention from their moms or dads or something and therefore became attention whores. Unfortunately they thrive on negative attention.

On the other hand, I am a firm believer that a person playing a game for fun shouldn't have to use /ignore if they don't want to. Same goes for the /filter. If a person appeals another player for something that is against Mythics Code of Conduct (you can look this up yourselves, too long to quote) the CSR should promptly take action aginst the offending player. And the person that is offended shouldn't be criticized and attacked by players saying, "use /ignore and /filter!"

Personally I came up with a fix for offending language that gets me to laugh every time. I /rpfilter offensive language into something that makes me laugh, it helps me ignore the negativity and get on with playing the GAME.

[Swifty_Johnson]

Well I sent a letter to Mark Jacobs and Jeff Hickman about the incident and the CSR's responce. We'll see what they have to say about the CSR's responce as what happened did violate #2 of their code of conduct.

2. Player may not engage in any conduct or communication while using the DAoC Services which is unlawful or which restricts or inhibits any other Player from using or enjoying these Services.

I'll let you know what happens.

Swifty

[PoxTheSmall]

Rofl, that's a great solution :)

[Ivyrielle]

...oh yeah, the CSR should not say "leave the group", that's utter bs. He should be on top of the offender, especially if there's screenshot or logged proof.


I got a better answer when someone was repeatedly using racial slurs and profanity. (And had earlier sexually harassed another female friend of mine in b/ outside DL) "Have everyone leave the cg and start a new one." I had about a 20 minute conversation with the server team lead about that one. What it boils down to is that they absolutely refuse to enforce that portion of the EULA.

I screenshotted the entire CSR conversation. He had asked me who had the /cg. The said a bit later that they won't interfere in a player led cg and that the cg leader (didn't know em) needed to boot the offender, etc.

[Allison]

PLAYER MAY NOT USE THE DAoC SERVICES TO:

1. Harass, threaten or embarrass another Player of the Services or to cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort of such Player, or any other person or entity. Mythic does not condone harassment in any form and may suspend or terminate the account of any Player who harasses others. Personal attacks, such as those based on a person's race, national origin, ethnicity, religion, gender, lifestyle choice, disablement or other such affiliation, are strictly prohibited.

4. Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, obscene, vulgar, harassing, and defamatory, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content.

6. Engage in "disruptive behavior" in chat areas, game areas, bulletin boards, or any other area of the DAoC Services. Disruptive behavior shall be deemed to include, but will not be limited to, conduct which purposefully interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue in a Service area.

[QwayMelqnu]

See that's rediculous. If a player violated Mythics rules, Mythic needs to take care of the problem, not the players.

[PoxTheSmall]

You see, the issue truly is that Mythic is after money (naturally). They want as many folks playing as possible. Because of this, they will take every possible detour from banning a player because of cheating or certain TOS violations. I'm convinced that I could blatantly hack the game and Mythic would never do anything about it (I don't btw).

I have yet to hear from a player about them getting their account suspended for violations against the TOS (aside from Tilnak). I've been a member of the VN for a long time, and I haven't once seen "OMG, I've been banned from the game!".

My take on it is that Mythic will state that they've "banned a bunch of players", but that I believe is a lie intended to freak out TOS violators or hackers. I just wish that Mythic would take a Blizzard Entertainment stance on this and do a gigantic player purging...but then they'd lose a HUGE player base.

[Boom]

What did Tilnak do?

[Swifty_Johnson]

That's why I sent a letter to Mark and Jeff, Mark is the President of the company and Jeff is the head of the CSRs. These are the people who will get something done.

Swifty

[PoxTheSmall]

I really never heard the full complete story so I won't spread rumors. I'd heard he'd gotten banned but then again, he seriously might've just quit.

[Macs]

What did Tilnak do?


rumor I heard was that he was banned for cross realming. Apparently he had logged into mid/pellinor on another account to find out where the midtards were...but thats just a rumor, I dont even remember who told me that to be honest.

[spyder913]

Tilnak did get banned. I believe it was a lynching since he was GM of CKD at the time and they were getting appealed a lot for radaring. So they ban the GM to try to scare them.

About the CG's and ToS - if you're in a private cg, bg, guild, or alliance chat, it is viewed by Mythic as an 'opt in' channel, and you are essentially unable to complain about what the other people are doing in there. If it's in a public channel.. /b, /say /yell, etc, then they can get in trouble.

A true solution would be "/cg ban account".

[QwayMelqnu]

About the CG's and ToS - if you're in a private cg, bg, guild, or alliance chat, it is viewed by Mythic as an 'opt in' channel, and you are essentially unable to complain about what the other people are doing in there. If it's in a public channel.. /b, /say /yell, etc, then they can get in trouble.

A true solution would be "/cg ban account".

According to Mythics own code of conduct. Anything offensive in many categories (race, sex, etc.) isn't allowed at all in any kind of chat. The CSR's just choose not to follow their own CoC.

Good solution BTW.

[Nymf]

Since i got a 12h ban for having a female organ in my enter/exit macro an racist remark should get banned also.

Still think that ppl that are so sensitive about stuff should either use /filter or just beg for forgivness in churth for not using it. Or the most effective way if u cant figure out the /ignore command, tell the pesron u think is abusive to stop. If he dont then go hire a lawyer and appeal him beacuse if he dont stop when asked he deserves a ban.

[crendalerst]

tilnak's account was banned/deleted because he had an alb spy account. During a few hib raids he even /sent me with info of where albs were trying to get me to change my course of action.. i never followed his advice though.. One particular incident is when we were trying to retake crim.. he told me there were 80 albs in emain and attacking crim was useless.. We captured crim in less than 5 minutes...