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Riddick
07-06-2010, 03:37 PM
Thank god I created my account under the name "Bulgy McHuge'nBalls"

Originally Posted by Nethaera (Source)
Recently, we introduced our new Real ID feature - www.battle.net/realid/ , a new way to stay connected with your friends on the new Battle.net. Today, we wanted to give you a heads up about our plans for Real ID on our official forums, discuss the design philosophy behind the changes we’re making, and give you a first look at some of the new features we’re adding to the forums to help improve the quality of conversations and make the forums an even more enjoyable place for players to visit.

The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it. These changes will go into effect on all StarCraft II forums with the launch of the new community site prior to the July 27 release of the game, with the World of Warcraft site and forums following suit near the launch of Cataclysm. Certain classic forums, including the classic Battle.net forums, will remain unchanged.

The official forums have always been a great place to discuss the latest info on our games, offer ideas and suggestions, and share experiences with other players -- however, the forums have also earned a reputation as a place where flame wars, trolling, and other unpleasantness run wild. Removing the veil of anonymity typical to online dialogue will contribute to a more positive forum environment, promote constructive conversations, and connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before. With this change, you’ll see blue posters (i.e. Blizzard employees) posting by their real first and last names on our forums as well.

We also plan to add a number of other features designed to make reading the forums more enjoyable and to empower players with tools to improve the quality of forum discussions. Players will have the ability to rate up or rate down posts so that great topics and replies stand out from the not-so-great; low-rated posts will appear dimmer to show that the community feels that they don’t contribute effectively to the conversation, and Blizzard’s community team will be able to quickly and easily locate highly rated posts to participate in or to highlight discussions that players find worthwhile.

In addition, individual topics will be threaded by context, meaning replies to specific posts will be grouped together, making it easier for players to keep track of multiple conversations within a thread. We’re also adding a way for Blizzard posters to “broadcast” important messages forums-wide , to help communicate breaking news to the community in a clear and timely fashion. Beyond that, we’re improving our forum search function to make locating interesting topics easier and help lower the number of redundant threads, and we have more planned as well.

With the launch of the new Battle.net, it’s important to us to create a new and different kind of online gaming environment -- one that’s highly social, and which provides an ideal place for gamers to form long-lasting, meaningful relationships. All of our design decisions surrounding Real ID -- including these forum changes -- have been made with this goal in mind.

We’ve given a great deal of consideration to the design of Real ID as a company, as gamers, and as enthusiastic users of the various online-gaming, communication, and social-networking services that have become available in recent years. As these services have become more and more popular, gamers have become part of an increasingly connected and intimate global community – friendships are much more easily forged across long distances, and at conventions like PAX or our own BlizzCon, we’ve seen first-hand how gamers who may have never actually met in person have formed meaningful real-life relationships across borders and oceans. As the way gamers interact with one another continues to evolve, our goal is to ensure Battle.net is equipped to handle the ever-changing social-gaming experience for years to come.

For more info on Real ID, check out our Real ID page and FAQ located at http://www.battle.net/realid/ . We look forward to answering your questions about these upcoming forum changes in the thread below.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Source)
One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.

All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.

All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.

MickeyFinn
07-06-2010, 05:30 PM
They're doing this in SC2 also, it's across all of Bnet. I don't see a reason for it, but they are claiming it's an attempt to make the online experience more ''make friends'' oriented

Post
07-06-2010, 05:35 PM
Feh, I purposely keep a different persona from my online presence. Like, a good amount of effort into it. I don't need realID to make it more difficult.

MickeyFinn
07-06-2010, 09:05 PM
At least it is one step toward accountability, which the internet is in desperate need of

Post
07-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Well, I guess it *can* be; it's just that the ones that would (probably) sign up for it, are the ones that it would help the masses the least anyway. The way I figure it, the real jerks of the internet - the ones that would benefit the majority in giving accountability - will not only not sign up for it, but gain the info of others indirectly and use it against them.

MickeyFinn
07-06-2010, 09:57 PM
From my experience using RealID in the starcraft beta, the only way for them to know who you are is to add you via your email address AND you must confirm the request

Post
07-06-2010, 10:52 PM
What I mean by indirectly is mutual friend-of-friends sharing info. For example, guy A is a real-life friend of guy B, who shares a realID online friendship with guy C. Guy B and guy C don't talk anymore / have a falling out / whatever, and guy B shares guy C's info with guy A. Guy A is an ass, so he harasses guy C.

Confusing enough?

Hollus
07-06-2010, 11:24 PM
So, I'm assuming that they will pull your info from your bnet account. I'm just going to change my name in it and be done with it. I doubt they'll be able to track down Hollus Q. Trowl anytime soon.

I don't like it, but I don't post on the forums often enough for it to affect me.

I like the anonymity...I play a fantasy game to keep reality out of it. I don't need some 16 year old schmuck tracking me down through the white pages and coming to corn hole me because I beat him down in pvp.

Noleader
07-06-2010, 11:27 PM
I don't like that they are adding it to their forums.

Hollus
07-08-2010, 10:40 AM
Little did I know that you can't change your info (Name) in bnet.

Yeah. I've already posted my opposition to this.

I seldom use their forums, now I will never use their forums.

Some poor schmuck posted his real name. A guy found out his parent's info, his employer info, called him at work, found out he has a dog named molly, and all sorts of craziness.

I don't like it. My only concern is one day they implement it with the armory. When that happens, I'm done...I'm real tempted to be done because of this.

Hollus
07-08-2010, 01:54 PM
...wow..the official thread is already up to 40,100 posts...2010 pages.

MickeyFinn
07-08-2010, 09:19 PM
Again, to see someone's real name do you not have to allow them access to your information? Hep's point is a valid one though; friend of a friend or "word of mouth" info sharing is a dangerous idea. Then again, that's why I don't act the fool in reality nearly as much as an MMO. Maybe player relations will improve out of fear! You never know who's on the other end of your cable

PoxTheSmall
07-09-2010, 02:56 AM
I spoke with my community team about this. It turns out that Bliz feels that thier forums are rampant with trolling and that by displaying the names of folks, it'll eliminate a good amount of trolling.

Bliz wouldn't arbitrarily apply something without consulting legal and ensuring that they're complying with the law, so I'm sure they either modified a TOS a few patches beforehand or they've somehow found a legal loophole allowing this.

This skirts a rather odd ethical boundary...something I'm kinda against but I understand the reasoning and I do think it'd achieve it's intended meaning. Less folks on boards means less money to pay community leads/mods and so more money saved by the company...is probably the way folks view this at corporate.

Slicks
07-09-2010, 08:09 AM
This does nothing to curb the trolls except for a small few. The true trolls are going to be under a different name as they will figure a way to have an alias.

I am totally against it. I never post on the boards but putting my real name on there for all the world to see is not ok with me. I have a name when googled is only about 5 or 6 in US so this is not cool with me. I dont want some ass hat getting upset at me and at least diggin up all the personal stuff that isnt on the net and posting it. Or worst coming to my house and harssing my kids and wife because i said something he didnt like on the forums or in game.

Riddick
07-09-2010, 09:15 AM
Trolls are easily ignored by your average internet enabled user nowadays... What i am worried about is the one guy I disagree with who seems completely normal on the forums really having some strange mental issue enabled with the information to be able to easily find me in real life.

I have not seen any indication of being able to hide my name on the forums and you think that would be bullet point #1 if it was to lower some of the backlash. I think this is honestly some top exec from Activision's bright idea of tagging into the "social networking" market without actually putting much thought into what it will actually do...

I can't remember where I seen it now but someone posted a "My friends sister is a GM" post and said that basically Blizzard was told that they have complete freedom over there games (such as deciding to completely re-do the talent trees) but battle.net, the methods of attracting customers, etc... is now over there heads and not in there control.

Hollus
07-09-2010, 09:20 AM
I honestly can see blizzard's side. But there's more to it than that. From what I've read, Bobby Kotick (Ceo of Activision) is in love with social integration of facebook.

Yes, it's rampant with trolls, but there are other means around this that do not include real names.

Mickey, in WOW or any other blizzard game, you have to approve them to know your real name through adding them to your real id friends list. So, in that part, it is completely voluntary.

The crux comes with the sharing. Slicks has me on his realID list. He adds somebody else to it. From what I understand, now any of his friends can now see me and I can see them. Not for nothing, but I want to be able to select who sees me and not have an involuntary middle man.

The forums are a completely different issue.

There are green posters (VIP Posters) that are helpful. They are essentially unpaid CM's of blizz forums. Many (if not most) have stated that they can no longer do that. Many of the helpful people are not helping any longer for fear of safety due to their race, sexuality, or gender. A ton of women have already said that they are done.

I agree that there needs to be more accountability on the net, but I'm not sure that this is the way to do it. I also agree that it will cut down on trolling significantly. But the problem arises that there are going to be people that will suffer that don't deserve to.

PoxTheSmall
07-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Over time, I'm convinced, people will acclimate. The forum is supposed to provide useful information and insight. It's now infested with assholes, for the most part. You can't get any useful information there since most folks are too busy participating in pissing contests.

Slicks, like you, I have a very, very different name. Personally, I don't care if folks see my name if I post a "how do you..." or similar. I doubt some psycho will look me up for something like that.

What I won't be doing is baiting folks in threads because by baiting, you might run the risk of having someone look you up. Though, that's the same reason I don't bait folks on a public bus...I'd run the risk of getting into a pointless fight with something over my being a douche. I've felt the internet needed that level of accountability for a long while, though this might be overboard.

Noleader
07-09-2010, 12:57 PM
That being said where the hell have you been?

Slicks
07-09-2010, 12:58 PM
First off......

POX......wtf man.......just checked your characters havent logged in in over 19 days???? Get married and forget your friends?? I misses you and your sexy voice.



Next after almost 2500 pages on forums this was just released.....


Hello everyone,

I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.

It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.

I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.

In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html) ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.

Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment


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Slicks
07-09-2010, 12:59 PM
That being said where the hell have you been?


roflmao glad im not the only one:rolly: :fuct:

Hollus
07-09-2010, 02:01 PM
Good deal. Happy Hollus

PoxTheSmall
07-09-2010, 02:14 PM
I've been kinda busy with work and home life. I'll try to get on sometime in the next day or so.

Slicks
07-09-2010, 02:23 PM
I've been kinda busy with work and home life. I'll try to get on sometime in the next day or so.


dont tempt me with empty promises.....i dont know if i can handle the disappointment.

Noleader
07-09-2010, 06:13 PM
All they have to do to get rid of a lot of crap on the boards is make it so people can pull up a list off all your toons without regard to which you posted under. The biggest problems come from lowbie alts that the account holder hides behind.

Post
07-09-2010, 06:25 PM
A big core issue I have with it is that they're obviously trying to sell something that isn't needed for the tangible benefits they rave about. They talk about things like cross realm chat and accountability, when those things are achieved simply with a single handle for a single account. It doesn't have to be a real name or anything; just something like "Hep" for all of my Blizzard games.

The only things that doesn't do are the things that are crap shoots at best. Better at connecting with real life friends and family? Well, I guess it MIGHT do that. Just like it MIGHT be another tool for stalkers.

So my question is, why this far? Blizzard has some really smart people, and some of the best people in the business for cornering a market. They must realize what I'm stating. What's the REAL reason for this?

Post
07-10-2010, 12:35 AM
Ohhhhhhh. So I heard Blizzard just made a partnership with Facebook (and its ad revenue). Well, that explains it.

Slicks
07-10-2010, 07:52 AM
aye that is another reason for the huge explosion

PoxTheSmall
07-11-2010, 02:16 AM
Yeah, I'm definately not linking myself to my facebook page...the last thing I want my mom to know about is my ICC achievement list (and yes, my mom is friended on facebook).

MickeyFinn
07-11-2010, 03:02 AM
SC2 has facebook and twitter links in it already :(

Noleader
07-11-2010, 12:18 PM
My concern would be that prespective clients google my name and they end up seeing my gaming record. Gaming is still something associated to our generation and some of the older folks will ding you for being one.

Blat
07-15-2010, 03:27 PM
Had to go look where this orig post was.. found it:
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626109041&sid=3000&pageNo=1

I don't really want my real name assoc out in public, it opens up the doors for more exploitation to occur with respect to accounts in my mind.

I would be ok sharing real name with persons who should see it.
Seems like they need to make this an opt in if you wanna kind of thing.