Is Ordair just gimp?

[Hammer]

Got to do some duels this afternoon and I left there pretty confused. I think I went 1 for 5 and unfortunately I was stupid and didn't turn on logging until the last few fights. The only fight I won was a against a pet class (alb ment?). That actually surprised me, I survived all the stun/nuke/pet nipping long enough to get to him then killed him in 4 shots. What surprised me was how bad I did against fellow melee's. I was outdamaged big time. Maybe they were buffed but I don't think that could account for it.


This was pretty bad. some type of dual wielding class that just ripped me up. Looked like a celt BM. Notice that opening attack. That had to be crit damage, but still. His sword hand is hitting as hard as my 2h LW? I was pretty confused after this one. Actually fought 2 of the guys with similar results.

[15:43:44] You bow to Loras.
[15:43:47] Loras bows to you.
[15:43:51] You enter combat mode and target [Loras]
[15:43:51] Loras is too far away to attack!
[15:43:53] Loras is too far away to attack!
[15:43:54] You miss!
[15:43:54] Loras attacks you with his sword!
[15:43:54] You are hit for 451 damage.
[15:43:54] You are hit for 5 damage.
[15:43:54] Loras attacks you with his dagger!
[15:43:54] Loras misses!
[15:43:54] You auto-stick Highlander.
[15:43:56] You attack Loras with your falcata and hit for 40 (-4) damage!
[15:43:56] You critical hit for an additional 13 damage!
[15:43:57] Loras attacks you with his sword!
[15:43:57] You block Loras's attack!
[15:43:57] Loras attacks you with his dagger!
[15:43:57] You are hit for 107 damage.
[15:43:57] You prepare to perform a Slam!
[15:43:58] You miss!
[15:43:59] You are hit for 4 damage.
[15:44:00] Loras attacks you with his sword!
[15:44:00] You are hit for 294 damage.
[15:44:01] You prepare to perform a Slam!
[15:44:02] You perform your Slam perfectly. (+60)
[15:44:02] You attack Loras with your shield and hit for 111 (-30) damage!
[15:44:02] You critical hit for an additional 14 damage!
[15:44:02] Loras cannot seem to move!
[15:44:03] Phade was just killed by Elody!
[15:44:04] Zilraiz was just killed by Jericho!
[15:44:04] Nasugbo was just killed by Combat!
[15:44:04] You attempt to use the Infernal Malison Crusher.
[15:44:04] You sheathe the Chieftain's Blade from your right hand.
[15:44:04] Your Blades skill has decreased.
[15:44:04] Your Matter resistance has decreased.
[15:44:04] You wield the Infernal Malison Crusher in both hands.
[15:44:04] Your Shield skill has decreased.
[15:44:04] Your Large Weaponry skill has increased.
[15:44:04] You are hit for 4 damage.
[15:44:05] You enter combat mode and target [Loras]
[15:44:05] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:44:06] You perform your Frontal Assault perfectly. (+109)
[15:44:06] You attack Loras with your mace and hit for 255 (-68) damage!
[15:44:06] Loras begins moving more slowly!
[15:44:07] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:44:09] You are hit for 3 damage.
[15:44:11] You miss!
[15:44:11] Loras attacks you with his sword!
[15:44:11] You are hit for 289 damage.
[15:44:11] Loras attacks you with his dagger!
[15:44:11] You are hit for 89 damage.
[15:44:13] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:44:14] Loras attacks you with his sword!
[15:44:14] You are hit for 123 damage.
[15:44:14] Loras attacks you with his dagger!
[15:44:14] You are hit for 124 damage.
[15:44:14] You are hit for 2 damage.
[15:44:14] You are hit for 184 damage.
[15:44:14] Ordair was just killed by Loras!






This was guy was like a shield hero. A better fight but still lost it. He's hitting me with a dagger for almost as much as my LW? I have 226 str unbuffed? I never hit even con most for 185 with a one hander even styled? As you can see I het for about 50ish with a unstyled one hander. A style would double that.
[15:57:52] You bow.
[15:57:55] Lephant bows to you.
[15:57:59] You enter combat mode but have no target!
[15:58:00] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:00] You are hit for 118 damage.
[15:58:00] You are hit for 21 damage.
[15:58:01] You attack Lephant with your falcata and hit for 48 (-7) damage!
[15:58:03] You attack Lephant with your falcata and hit for 36 (-5) damage!
[15:58:05] You prepare to perform a Slam!
[15:58:05] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:05] You block Lephant's attack!
[15:58:05] You perform your Slam perfectly. (+40)
[15:58:05] You attack Lephant with your shield and hit for 80 (-14) damage!
[15:58:05] Lephant cannot seem to move!
[15:58:09] You attack Lephant with your falcata and hit for 44 (-6) damage!
[15:58:10] You prepare to perform a Slam!
[15:58:12] You miss!
[15:58:14] You attempt to use the Infernal Malison Crusher.
[15:58:14] You sheathe the Chieftain's Blade from your right hand.
[15:58:14] Your Blades skill has decreased.
[15:58:14] Your Matter resistance has decreased.
[15:58:14] You wield the Infernal Malison Crusher in both hands.
[15:58:14] Your Shield skill has decreased.
[15:58:14] Your Large Weaponry skill has increased.
[15:58:15] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:15] You parry Lephant's attack!
[15:58:15] You enter combat mode and target [Lephant]
[15:58:15] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:58:15] You perform your Frontal Assault perfectly. (+79)
[15:58:15] You attack Lephant with your mace and hit for 198 (-35) damage!
[15:58:15] Lephant begins moving more slowly!
[15:58:15] You hit for 70 (-25) damage!
[15:58:17] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:17] You are hit for 139 damage.
[15:58:17] Elvtin was just killed by Vanzepllica!
[15:58:17] You auto-stick Highlander.
[15:58:19] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:58:19] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:19] You are hit for 185 damage.
[15:58:19] You are hit for 25 damage.
[15:58:20] You perform your Frontal Assault perfectly. (+98)
[15:58:20] You attack Lephant with your mace and hit for 245 (-43) damage!
[15:58:20] Lephant begins moving more slowly!
[15:58:22] You are no longer auto-following your target.
[15:58:22] You prepare to perform a Frontal Assault!
[15:58:22] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:22] You are hit for 123 damage.
[15:58:22] You are hit for 25 damage.
[15:58:25] Lephant is too far away to attack!
[15:58:25] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:25] You are hit for 97 damage.
[15:58:25] You are hit for 25 damage.
[15:58:25] You attack Lephant with your mace and hit for 150 (-27) damage!
[15:58:25] Stehn was just killed by Goomjaba!
[15:58:29] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:29] You are hit for 88 damage.
[15:58:29] You are hit for 25 damage.
[15:58:30] Lephant blocks your attack!
[15:58:31] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:31] You are hit for 81 damage.
[15:58:31] You are hit for 22 damage.
[15:58:33] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:33] You are hit for 162 damage.
[15:58:33] You are hit for 25 damage.
[15:58:34] You prepare to sprint!
[15:58:35] You attack Lephant with your mace and hit for 165 (-29) damage!
[15:58:35] You hit for 77 (-27) damage!
[15:58:37] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:37] Lephant misses!
[15:58:37] Rumblefish was just killed by Kallafre!
[15:58:39] You must wait 42 seconds to use this ability!
[15:58:40] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:40] You are hit for 71 damage.
[15:58:40] You are hit for 20 damage.
[15:58:40] Lephant is not in view!
[15:58:42] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:42] You are hit for 147 damage.
[15:58:42] You are hit for 17 damage.
[15:58:42] You miss!
[15:58:42] You auto-stick Highlander.
[15:58:42] Doover was just killed by Eliemyr!
[15:58:42] Combat was just killed by Kyros!
[15:58:44] You are no longer ready to sprint.
[15:58:44] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:44] You are hit for 196 damage.
[15:58:44] You are hit for 21 damage.
[15:58:44] Ordair was just killed by Lephant!


And now just for a little embarrassment. The mids when on a gank fest toward the end so we jumped them. I had the bad luck of getting attacked by a beserker. He killed me solo in 4 seconds. This was worse than any caster attack I have ever seen. See for your self:
[16:05:38] Kamuka attacks you with his axe!
[16:05:38] You are hit for 911 damage.
[16:05:38] Kamuka attacks you with his axe!
[16:05:38] You are hit for 116 damage.
[16:05:39] You are no longer auto-following your target.
[16:05:40] Dirtyblades yells for help from the east!
[16:05:42] Kamuka attacks you with his axe!
[16:05:42] You are hit for 863 damage.
[16:05:42] Ordair was just killed by Kamuka!

That's the entire fight;) I wasn't expecting to hit tanks for big damage, that's for cloth wearers;) However, being a level 50 scale wearing tank, I wasn't expecting to take that kind of damage either? My LW is at 45 + 10 and my str is 226. I was using a diamond DF mace 100% con 91% qual 16.2dps LW.

[spyder913]

after you did the slam did you try to do another slam? cuz that seems like you wasted time there and ended up missing him.. and what's the speed on your LW?

oh and was the zerker in vendo? cuz if he wasn't, ouch

[Mulletious]

well heres the deal with zerkers...their LA style are blades and slash dmg kicks scale ass now...same for those mercs that killed you although 400 is a lot for a merc on main hand...its basically the fact that slash dmg kicks scales ass now...and crush sucks against chain and those are the ppl you fought chain wearers

[Mulletious]

btw if you were using CS against the chain wearers (lephant and loras) you woulda hit them for 550+ prolly

[Hammer]

Yep spider, I did, that machine at work was lagging pretty bad and I couldn't tell that the first one had landed. I made some other mistakes too, but that didn't bother me. I was just floored by how quickly I was being dropped. I'm still not good at identifing class types and armor types. That will come with more time on the battle field. I should have used my blade instead which is at least neutral to alb chain/plate. I need to go ahead and buy a 98/99% PC slash/crush weapon too. I have 12% slash resist right now, which should give me at least a 2% total slash resistents right? I guess the other think not in my favor is the DF armor is all 91% quality. I need some help getting my epic suit;)

[Mulletious]

o yah BTW lephant was buffed...you can tell by the DMG ADD he had after every hit...pretty cheap if you ask me

example:
[15:58:19] Lephant attacks you with his dagger!
[15:58:19] You are hit for 185 damage.
[15:58:19] You are hit for 25 damage(dmg add right here)

[Boom]

Very cheap. He basically hit you with about 250 pts worth of illegal damage from that damage add (about 10 hits at about 25 damage each). If he fought fair you would have won that battle. I know there is no "fair" in RvR, its about winning, but when you duel you agree to the rules of dueling.

Duels are supposed to be unbuffed. If you are a buffing class like a druid you can buff yourself, but thats it.

Since he got a damage add from a wizard or theurg (extra 10dps btw) I would be willing to bet he got a few cleric buffs as well. An unbuffed person fighting someone with cleric/druid/healer buffs is being cheated in a duel.

The first one just got a lucky crit. He also may have been buffed since he was hitting you for such good damage. He didn't have damage add, but he coulda had a str buff.

The third one is just scary! Were you rez sick? I heard once that you take way more damage if you are rez sick. If not, then sheesh.

[Morety]

Wait til you hit R5 and are wearing moretymade armor with high percents. They won't even touch you. :)