Been giving it some thought again...

[Noleader]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests/talents.html?0000000000000002320500303000000050232 5100511251

Think I might go shadow spec again soon

[Bearabald]

You bastard.. i thought you were quiting again from the title of the thread

lol

[Noleader]

hahaha no... Not quite.

[Lumynus]

edit: nevermind

[Coplann]

why bother with shadow? you can do just as much damage and be a lot more versatile with holy/disc

Id go full holy (37 points) except for improved renew, spell warding and inspiration. then get 5/5 in unbreakable will, Martyrdom 2/2, IPW:S 3/3, Inner Focus 1/1 and Meditation 3/3

the only thing Id miss would be silence and maybe Mind Flay, on the other side you can cast all your spells while dealing damage (no need for a shadow form). Renew and SW:P arent that good anyway in pvp (will be purged most of the time).

especially when you have lots of +damage and +spirit gear (for spiritual guidance). because Mind Blast is so fast and SW:P is instant those bonuses basically do nothing for a shadow priest. then when you get hit in melee you can heal yourself without worrying about interrupts or having to switch between shadow and normal form. ^^

my 2 cp as a retired shadow priest (pre priest patch)

[Solomente]

Where to begin...

why bother with shadow? you can do just as much damage and be a lot more versatile with holy/disc)
Are you crazy? Shadow does far more damage than a holy/disc spec, not to mention blackout, silence, mind flay, and faster casting mind blast.

Renew and SW:P arent that good anyway in pvp (will be purged most of the time).
In my experience, at least 50% of priests that I drop SW:Pain on don't bother to purge it off, so I would say across all classes it's purged off on average <5% of the time.

especially when you have lots of +damage and +spirit gear (for spiritual guidance). because Mind Blast is so fast and SW:P is instant those bonuses basically do nothing for a shadow priest.
Incorrect. Mind blast has a coefficient of around 45% of your +damage gear. With +250 damage mind blast hits for about 112 more damage than normal. Also, SW:Pain is instant but it's a DoT so it retains the FULL benefit of +damage gear. If the tooltip says it hits for a total of 1k and you have +250 damage, it will tick for 1250.

[Rooster]

If you want to do damage, be a mage. :p

[Veroshia]

If you want to do damage, be a Fire mage. :p

:hump:

[Coplann]

@solomente:

shadow might do more damage if you play Undead. however as alliance-priest it evens out (especially with the shitload of shamans running arround, and the shamans I fought purged everything, SW:P, renew, inner fire, the con buff, PW:S...). sure it might still do a tiny bit more damage, but the loss of survivability/healing power/utility aint worth it when a shaman can lock you down, hit you and still heal himself in between when you are stuck inside the shadow form.
and what good is a 1.5s nuke when you can only cast it every 5 secs or so?

[Solomente]

Might be true, because I play horde so I don't know what it's like on the alliance side (why would anyone play alliance? They're like albs but even gayer with night elves and gnomes...). I personally have an enhancement Shaman that I've pvp'ed to rank 11 and in my experience I can rip priests apart but shadow priests are 10 times harder than holy priests. My friend also has an enhancement shaman that he pvp'ed all the way to High Warlord (yes, really...he has a lot of free time hehe) and he tells me he can pretty much beat any class except shadow priests.

By the way, shamans can't purge SW:P, they can only purge PW:Shield. Their purge only works on enemy targets, it's not like a priest's dispell. So at least in their case, your SW:P will still tick to full duration.

[Noleader]

Well I went shadow for 1 day and then back to Holy... I kick ass in PvP as a holy priest and get my ass handed to me as a shadow one. Reduced cooldown on fear is nice but as a holy priest i can kill every class but a geared up warrior. Basically if they have mana you just outlast them and if they don't (rogue) you just SW:P them to death while healing yourself.

[spyder913]

both are fun.. but only one is worthwhile in a raid... shadow

[PoxTheSmall]

You bastard.. i thought you were quiting again from the title of the thread

I'm pissed off at the game and thinking about taking a break, myself.

[Bearabald]

I'm pissed off at the game and thinking about taking a break, myself.

:*(

[Noleader]

I am having fun playing my Rogue in PvP... My gear = the huge suck but it is still fun jumping folks.

[Bedpost]

Come on Pox, I'm just getting into it now. Granted I've got quite a ways to go to come help you out.

but eventually I hope to be there

[Bearabald]

Foebane and I have just recently started hanging out in Silithus... and now Nerd wants to go MIA, lol

[Solomente]

Well I went shadow for 1 day and then back to Holy... I kick ass in PvP as a holy priest and get my ass handed to me as a shadow one. Reduced cooldown on fear is nice but as a holy priest i can kill every class but a geared up warrior. Basically if they have mana you just outlast them and if they don't (rogue) you just SW:P them to death while healing yourself.

You can't outheal an enhancement shaman - there's too much burst damage... not to mention purging your renews and shields and earthshocking the regular heals. Stormstrike + WF, then a follow-up earthshock with +20% damage bonus (thanks to Stormstrike) is an absolute MINIMUM of 3100 damage burst. Even if my tremor totem doesn't break your fear (which it usually doesn't because it has like a 3 inch range and ticks once every 5 seconds) you still can't take off 4,300 unbuffed hit points with a dot and a couple other spells (that I'll either interrupt or absorb with grounding totem). Then I can heal myself all day long since you don't have silence or blackout with holy spec. You must have crappy shamans on your server because if there is 1 class I can kill with my shaman, it's priests... ESPECIALLY holy priests.

[PoxTheSmall]

Well, I just had a very bad weekend, that has discouraged me. I log in and folks are doing AQ20, and for 15 minutes I ask 3 times if there's any room to let me know, or whether anyone wants to do anything...and crickets...I mean, if you're busy, say "leave me alone" or "I'm busy" but getting ignored blows...(none of you, just the normal guild folks)...and it wasn't personal, I'm sure, just annoying.

Then the next night I log in and Suntel gets me into a non-guild AQ20 with some ex-guildies of mine who're fully tier 2'd out...and I got told by the raid leader mid raid "We're replacing you with a guild rogue, so disband and hearth". How fucking humiliating is that?

[Bearabald]

You can't outheal an enhancement shaman - there's too much burst damage... not to mention purging your renews and shields and earthshocking the regular heals. Stormstrike + WF, then a follow-up earthshock with +20% damage bonus (thanks to Stormstrike) is an absolute MINIMUM of 3100 damage burst. Even if my tremor totem doesn't break your fear (which it usually doesn't because it has like a 3 inch range and ticks once every 5 seconds) you still can't take off 4,300 unbuffed hit points with a dot and a couple other spells (that I'll either interrupt or absorb with grounding totem). Then I can heal myself all day long since you don't have silence or blackout with holy spec. You must have crappy shamans on your server because if there is 1 class I can kill with my shaman, it's priests... ESPECIALLY holy priests.

I like shaman.. its fun runny them oom and seeing them run off :)

Sorry.. had to, lol

[Noleader]

You must have crappy shamans on your server because if there is 1 class I can kill with my shaman, it's priests... ESPECIALLY holy priests.

Great strat for fighting but it is the unexpected that messes it up. Yea your shocks can mess up heals but all I do is spam mana burn until you shock then QUICKY hit a big heal off while your cooldowns are up. Fear/Feedback/Mana Burn/SW:P/Wand/Heal for the win!

[Solomente]

Great strat for fighting but it is the unexpected that messes it up. Yea your shocks can mess up heals but all I do is spam mana burn until you shock then QUICKY hit a big heal off while your cooldowns are up. Fear/Feedback/Mana Burn/SW:P/Wand/Heal for the win!

SpellAlert addon is nice for that. Earthshock the heals, not mana burn. It doesn't do enough damage to matter and 1 gets absorbed by the grounding totem anyway. I still say you have crappy shamans on your server. I guess that's a good thing since you guys all play alliance :hump:

[Bearabald]

Wish i could duel ya :)

Really really really wish SR and KT were in the same battlegroup, it would be really fun to work out some sort of pvp challenge.

[]LoL[Harm]

Just to throw out my quick, unsolicited opinion, but it's addons like SpellAlert that I feel go too far in PvP.

[Bedpost]

I would agree with that, knowing what your opponent is going to do is not something that you should have.

I was on that night Pox that you didn't get a response :( I think they just happened to miss your messages, but I don't know. As far as the rogue thing, he was taking a guildy. Now we wouldn't do that, but that guy obviously doesn't have much class. So you need to consider the source.

Wish I was high enough to be able to help things out :(

[Bearabald]

When raids are formed, it is very possible to miss guild chat. Raid spam moves your chat box so fast that i dont even look at guild chat unless someone points it out to me. You best off sending a tell to whoever is leading the raid. Which is almost always one of 3 people.

Sorry I wasnt around this last weekend. I am usually pretty good at spotting chat when it comes from one of my inner circle people :)

[spyder913]

LoL[Harm']Just to throw out my quick, unsolicited opinion, but it's addons like SpellAlert that I feel go too far in PvP.Agreed.. along with mods that will allow you to autotarget healers. (I know of none specifically, but it would be trivial to write a mod that generates a list of nearby healers, so I'm sure they exist).

Also, Pox - it sounds like you are just having bad problems with your guild(s) there, not necessarily the game =(

[Solomente]

All Spell Alert does is take the message that is already appearing in your Combat Log and move it to the top of your screen. I could just as easilly look at the Combat Log. And it's simple to remove the rest of the spam. The default Blizz UI allows you to set which messages you want to see in that chat window (or in a new on you create). Just pick spells being cast by enemies and you have 90% of what Spell Alert does.

[spyder913]

I know how it works. You should be able to do the same by observing your enemy, without the game telling you what they are doing.