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Allison
07-06-2006, 02:37 PM
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/14979384.htm

This is really interesting.

Delay won The Republican primary for his district in March. He later resigns his seat and announces that he doesn't intend to run in November.

But, according to election laws, if a candidate withdraws from a race after having won a primary, his party can't replace him on the ballot. So, Delay instead tries to get himself declared ineligible because then the GOP can hand-pick a replacement to put on the ballot. To do this, he changed the address on his drivers license to the one he's maintained in Virginia. (He's had a home there for 12 years, in which he's lived when Congress was in session.) And he changed his voter registration. Voila! No longer a resident of Texas and therefore ineligible, right? Well, the Democratic Party challenged the claim that he was ineligible and won.

Delay still maintains a home in Houston, where his family still lives and where he frequently "visits." Also, Delay couldn't say where he'd be on election day, so the judge ruled that there wasn't enough evidence to declare him ineligible based on residency requirements. There will, no doubt, be an appeal.

Really interesting. If I may muse a while ....

On first thought, it seemed a rather petty move on the part of Democrats. If the guy wants out, just let him out and allow another Republican on the ballot. But, then again, I think it's a pretty good rule that says a party can't simply replace a candidate who voters have put on a ballot. If that rule weren't in place, what's to prevent parties from running a squeaky-clean candidate in the primary, and then replacing him on the ballot the day before the election with someone that voters wouldn't have approved? Isn't that a manipulation and a subversion of the democratic process?

But, then again, it seems pretty cold to penalize an entire party because a candidate wants to withdraw. Maybe there should be a way in which another primary could be held if a candidate withdraws, and if there's enough time before the election. Of course, that costs a lot money. But maybe the party requesting the new primary could foot the bill or something. Of course, that would be a conflict of interest, wouldn't it?

I dunno. It doesn't seem fair no matter what happens.

PoxTheSmall
07-06-2006, 02:54 PM
Its definately not fair to the republican party, for sure. I'd be pissed as hell if democrats elected a guy/gal in my area who turned out to be corrupt and screwed the entire party over out of his/her own greed or underhanded dealings.

Hammer
07-06-2006, 03:17 PM
Are they saying he has to remain on the ballot? Or just that he can't be replaced? What if he wins?

Bedpost
07-06-2006, 03:20 PM
They are saying he just can't be replaced.

I think that it has to be that way. Just because you picked a candidate that was not commited enough to go through with it or did something wrong doesn't mean you should get to pick again. Now obviously if some drastic thing happened where he became disabled or something that's not the same.

But just because your candidate decided he didn't want to run anymore. Well sucks to be them

Allison
07-06-2006, 03:51 PM
Are they saying he has to remain on the ballot? Or just that he can't be replaced? What if he wins?

He can withdraw from the ballot. But if he does that, then the GOP can't bybass the primary system and replace him.

If he stays on the ballot and wins, and then resigns, I don't know what would happen. Maybe a special election to replace him?

Noleader
07-06-2006, 03:55 PM
If that rule weren't in place, what's to prevent parties from running a squeaky-clean candidate in the primary, and then replacing him on the ballot the day before the election with someone that voters wouldn't have approved? Isn't that a manipulation and a subversion of the democratic process?

How would it be manipulation or subversion? Would you not consider voting for a different person if the party you normally support puts forth someone that is less then acceptable?

Secondly if you vote strictly on party lines you should rip up your voter reg card and never vote again, because all you are doing is a gross disservice to this nation.

Bedpost
07-06-2006, 03:59 PM
Secondly if you vote strictly on party lines you should rip up your voter reg card and never vote again, because all you are doing is a gross disservice to this nation.

You just said more then 50% of the people who vote should just rip up their voter reg cards.

Granted I agree with that. What would be nice is if there was a respectable candidate from either side. I can't say I've liked any of the past presidential candidates since I've been able to vote

Rooster
07-06-2006, 04:41 PM
C'mon, let's not toss out random percentages... :)

Allison
07-06-2006, 04:53 PM
How would it be manipulation or subversion?

In the example I gave, it would be a manipulation because the party would be pretending to support the "squeaky-clean" candidate up until the time they substituted their "true pick" at the last minute. They'd be manipulating voters into going to the polls in a primary to support a candidate who the party never intends to be on the ballot come election day. It would be a subversion of democracy because the last-minute switch wouldn't give voters time to properly consider a candidate before voting, and because it completely throws out all the votes democratically cast in the primary.

And what if both parties pulled these stunts? You, as a citizen, have listened to the debates, done your research, voted in the primary (or primaries) to choose which candidates will be on the ballot. And then, two days before the election, the candidates suddenly change. Who are you going to vote for now? And who are these parties that they think they can just remove a democratically elected candidate from a ballot and replace him at will?

Voters have to be given proper time to learn about and to consider the candidates. And if the voters decide who is going to be on a ballot through a democratic process such as a primary, that decision shouldn't simply be discarded because the party decides the candidate isn't doing well enough. That's why I say I think it's good that there are laws that prevent replacement candidates except under certain circumstances, like severe illness. Those laws prevent manipulation of the system.

Noleader
07-06-2006, 06:50 PM
But there is a check in the system if people all voted after doing research... If they did a last minute switch like that they would lose to the other party all the time because no one would vote for the unknown guy. The other thing is if both parties did it then they would open up the door to the third parties and those without party ties.

Negative0
07-07-2006, 03:26 PM
C'mon, let's not toss out random percentages... :)

90% of all statistics are made up.


26% of all people know that.