Ninja fun

[Figtoria]

We had a ninja in our PUG UBRS raid yesterday.

He was a priest named Taggart. The Finkle dropped when we killed the beast and he was allowed to have it. We let him skin it with his new knife, as a courtesy and a Pristine Hide of the Beast dropped, an epic drop that many people in the raid (though not me) needed.

The dumbass refused to roll on it.

Hilarity ensued.

He seemed to believe that since he had 315 skinning he had the right to it. But Grundy was there and he had 315, too.

Basically he stole it from all the people in the raid who had that quest.

[Figtoria]

And two more screenshots...

[Bedpost]

Wow what a moron... hopefully he doesn't get anymore groups

[Rooster]

Master Looter for teh win!

Always go Master Looter before a boss fight. Saves headaches.

[Bedpost]

does master looter work on skinned items though?

[Rooster]

Hrm... dunno.

[Figtoria]

No, it doesn't.

Thus the drama.

:)

[Grundy]

Those SS do show one thing: The evil brilliance of Malk is clearly demonstrated on jpeg 4 as he had the foreskin at the time of the chaotic event to give a shout to M0 knowing full well the SS would be posted in the future and that M0 would likely see it.

Well played!

[malkovich]

number 4 is my favorite ... :rolly: ... hehehe ...

*edit* grundy beat me to it ... :P ...

[Grundy]

I must have skinned that Beast over 50 times by now and in the case where the Hide was skinned, several of us then rolled on it, and I lost.

Just to be fair, there probably are alternative rules that can be applied here though for how to deal with this item. I imagine one scenario is that you only allow professinal Skinners with 315 to roll for the chance to skin the Beast and then whoever wins 1) gets to skin and 2) would keep the skin if it dropped. But it doesnt seem plausable that after getting the epic quest that needs the Hide, someone would drop a profession to skill up to 300 in Skinning just for the chance to skin the hide. So I am in favor of handling it like the Chromatic Scale from Rend in that if you have the quest you can then roll on it. However this requires an honorable skinner.

[spyder913]

Pristine Hide of the Beast has been drama since beta. It will continue to be drama for a long time since they won't add it to his drop table instead of making it skinning.

[malkovich]

well its just important that we have all learned something from this ... mO sucks ! ... :rolly: ...

[Allison]

Malky, you crack me up!

[YarrThePirate]

The sad truth is that in 2 months time almost no one but LoLers are gonna remember this. 90% of the server now wont remember in a week and he's a priest so hes always going to get groups. People will invite him probably knowing what he did, just because they need a priest.

[Coplann]

WoW sucks ^^

[Boom]

It happens in every game.

[Coplann]

ya, but not every game is that item and pve-zerg dependent :)

[Boom]

WoW is item-dependant, but no more than DAOC.

And its much less PVE-zerg dependent than DAOC is. In DAOC I had to go on a ton of HUUUUUGE zerg pve raids to get the gear I felt I couldn't live without in PvE. Hell, not just gear, but abilities. I felt like I had to do the ML raids to compete and that is 9 separate raids, most of which require huge numbers of players.

Not that it is a bad thing. I had a TON of fun on those huge zergfest raids. Whenever people would start complaining about what a pain the MLs were I would get very quiet because I really liked them.

In WoW I got all my gear from soloing, or doing 5-10 man raids. I maybe got an item or two on 15 man raids. I only started doing the 40 man instance (Molton Core) a month ago and only have 1 item from it. It's a great item but I was doing fine without it.

UBRS (the example in this thread) is a 15 man instance. Being lowered to a 10 man instance next patch. Not really a zergfest.

Most raids in WoW are relatively small. There are a couple of instances that take up to 20 people, but they aren't required, I haven't been to any of them and I am doing pretty well. There are only two instances that take up to 40 people, they are also not required. I don't feel gimped without doing them, the way that I would feel gimped in DAOC without doing the MLs. There is nothing in WoW that would allow more than 40 people. The biggest dungeon in the game is capped at 40.

How many people does it take to do the Master Levels in Daoc? Some of them take 40 or more, right? I remember ML4 being a major zergfest. I also remember a ton of drama over items that dropped on those zergfests.

Hell, now many people did it take to kill the dragon the traditional way? Wasn't it like 100? And how many times was there drama over dragon loot? Remember when Genocide ninjaed an entire dragon raid? (LOL that was so funny. Expecially since it happened to the mids and not to us.)

I see no more of this ninja stuff in WoW than I saw in DAOC. And in WoW there are more tools (master looting, etc) to help avoid it. Unfortunately, masterlooting doesn't work on the very specific isolated example in this thread. And it also doesn't work if the masterlooter is a ninja, but nothing is perfect. ;)

Not to bash DAOC. Just to balance this post I will point out something that is better in DAOC than in WoW. In DAOC I was easily able to do the 40 man raids in a 20 person guild. Just start forming it up and then recruit for the last spaces. Even a non-guilded person could just hang out at the right places and get in on the huge raids. You don't have to be in a huge raiding guild to do the Master Levels. In WoW you can't just jump in a huge raid like that. You have to be in a massive guild, or be real chummy with a massive guild to do the 40 man stuff. I liked the fact that in DAOC I got to try every encounter and beat every boss. In WoW there are some things that are almost impossible to experience if you like being in a casual midsized guild. That is a total bummer.

[Coplann]

MLs dont require many ppl anymore.

2 ML9 Chanters can solo all ML1-2. now.

now you dont have ML1 or 2 or 3 or ... raids anymore. instead ppl do ML1-3 in 1 raid (in the time it used to take to do 1 of them), then ML 4-5, then 6-8. ML9 was done in under 2 hours with about 40 people too. maybe even less. result was that lotto took longer (everyone got 2 drops and there were still drops left lol).

ToA is a piece of cake now.

while in WoW I basically quit the game right after my first MC raid (well that and because pvp system/rewards blow in WoW). :P

and the major difference between DAoC items and WoW Items are:
DAoC stats are capped. even if youd have a +200 to all stats, +50 to all resists, +100 to damage, speed etc, +30 to all skills you would still end up with about the same stats as everyone else. in WoW there is no cap. cant wait for burning crusade when everyone is throwing their MC set away and start to farm the new level 70 40 man instance for the new sets.

[Schadenfraude]

That Taggart thread still seems really busy, over there on that forum place.

Everyone seems to love a ninja.

[Jammer]

I just wanted to acknowledge a Schaddy appearance.

Oh, and to tell all you freaks that you are required back in DAoC POSTHASTE!!!11!! We have some serious skinny dipping to do at Hurbury before the next bridge humping!

Jammer

[Schadenfraude]

Nah, I wanna try my hand at this WoW thing, I think. DAoC had its chance, I need a new drug. ;)

That and I have no idea where my account is. I think Yarr has it.

Yarr, do you still have Schaddy?

Are you Schaddy's Daddy?

[Figtoria]

Although we've noticed before that Sticky isn't wearing any pants, last night Aasimon noticed that when she rezzes, her tabbard flies up a bit.


Eventually our entire Scholo raid were laying on teh floor looking up Sticky's tabbard as it fluttered upwards. I wish I had a screenshot of Boom's guh-nome laying there on it's back with his head at her feet facing up - it was the funniest freaking thing I've seen in a long, long time.

I don't think any of us are going back to DAOC any time soon.

:cheese:

:cheese:

:cheese:

[Stickybuns]

Although we've noticed before that Sticky isn't wearing any pants, last night Aasimon noticed that when she rezzes, her tabbard flies up a bit.

:eh: I told you they are Leggins!!!! They're the new FAD!!!


Eventually our entire Scholo raid were laying on teh floor looking up Sticky's tabbard as it fluttered upwards. I wish I had a screenshot of Boom's guh-nome laying there on it's back with his head at her feet facing up - it was the funniest freaking thing I've seen in a long, long time.

I don't think any of us are going back to DAOC any time soon.


Perverts I tell ya.. Perverts...
LOL.. How many pixels does it take to turn you on? :rolly:

[Aezon]

hehehe... leave it to Aasi to notice the lack of pants... :ooer:

[POKER]

Another reason I hate PUGS
LOL groups are fun and no Loot steals ( not counting booms crate fetish )

[Morety]

Malky swallows :p

[Golmacmourna]

I remember this kind of thing in Diablo II. Except there, it was the wild west with *no* looting schemes. Sorceresses literally would put points in telekinesis so they could ninja loot from across the room. I think they even nerfed TK over it.

God I loved Diablo II. It was an absolute festus of deceit and cheating, but because there were no rules to break, you had to HAD to learn to confine yourself to areas of the game that you could tolerate. Otherwise it would be survival of the fittest, by which I mean insane tardburgers.

Really the problem with gmes like wow (for instance the carebear exodus off Stormreaver *cough* lonely Pooky) is that there are no defined subsections of the game. Well actually let me clarify that. There isn't unlimited freedom of movement. You have to share space with people you don't know who can potentially change your game experience drastically. Whiel I admit that this kind of forced social situation is great for growing as a person (you reach the hairy edge of sanity, look over the edge, spit into the abyss of bell-tower-shooting-spree and then realize it's time to lighten up), considering that this is ultimately a leisure activity, for people speccing slow ride on their Epic Foghats, that is to say taking it easy, the fact that large expanses of content are developed specifically for field-trips involving dribbling kiddies who couldn't learn the buddy system if they were conjoined twins, it's a sure sign that your anus will pucker tighter than the theoretical absoluteness of a singularity. What I'm saying is that despite the fact that you fled the gankfest from hell that is an open pvp server (pooky! Lonely! *sniffle*), you've only fled from the arms of a rapist into the arms of an abusive spouse. Your only option is a murder suicide pact. But I digress.

What I'm saying is that Blizzard exposes you to too many assholes. I mean, here's a *quest* situation, right? So why, when I do a quest for practically any other purpose, if something questy drops, everyone gets a copy? Not doing the same here simply serves to decrease your pleasure, like some kind of inverted kama sutra written by Catholic diabolists to drive the human race to celibacy. That's right, I'm talking about a conspiracy to make you, figgy specificlaly, unhappy, and it's only the desperate nature of these media-terrorists that makes them hurt *so* many people just to get to you.

I'm writing a letter to the office of homeland security informing them that, if Blizzard makes another epic level raid dungeon, the terrorists win.

someone please google 'plasma pong'. You won't regret it.

[Allison]

You crack me up :laugh: